Anyone not have Biggie in their top 10 :

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biggie is on the border.

in that 9-12 range.

LAD is one of the most overrated rap albums ever, for obvious reasons.
RTD is a classic, but its not some all-timer.

I feel like he got the east coast boost cuz the east coast was desperate for solo star-power at the time. and then got the post-death boost right when LAD dropped. without those boosts influencing me, i'd probably rank him even lower.

I agree with everything besides the bold. I might be a little biased seeing how it's the first CD I actually paid for but I would put it in that "all time" category.
 

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Only argument to be made against BIG is that he didn't produce enough material before he died (way too early :wow:). But his first 2 albums by themselves stand up to any 2 albums by any other rapper ever :yeshrug:
 

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I fucc wit Jeru but cmon.....dude could barely stay on beat...shyt was choppy and i say that as a jeru fan

And Luda??



Hell yeah Luda, never stuck with one flow for 2 entire albums (at that extremely creative flows too), bigger vocabulary, way more creative delivery, punchlines/bars (you'd be dumb to choose Big over him out of sheer ignorance of never having heard any of his albums), smarter concepts. Personally, I fukk with his beat selection way more than Big's. He did more for Southern Rap than even Outkast (note how they changed and made a complete 360 in the 00's) and even now ATL stays jacking his style and never paying homage.



Ah, my childhood in the 00s....

WHEW, this whole song > Big's rapping in general. Luda had more creativity in this song than most of Big's 2nd album. Big has him in storytelling, but overall Luda was more well-rounded, had better hit songs and had many layers to his personality.

He made it comfortable to embody the South, and not be so stuck up or entirely ignorant either.



THAT 3RD VERSE...
 
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I fucc wit Jeru but cmon.....dude could barely stay on beat...shyt was choppy and i say that as a jeru fan

You tripping bruh, real talk


Jeru was like an advanced version of what Big did at the time (and took from Black Moon who he thanked in RTD's liner notes for that), you telling me this is "barely staying on beat"?:mjlol:

Choppy is Midland style "Chopper Rap", lmao.......or when you don't know when to let the rhythm in flow do its own thing on a beat.
 

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Hell yeah Luda,
He did more for Southern Rap than even Outkast


I'm sorry but stuff like this is a pet peeve of mines.

what did outkast & Ludacris do for southern rap?

and please don't quote that corny Atlanta documentary from VH1 that's brainwashing the masses.


I kind of agree with this. I don't know about the boost though. Puff help mold Biggie and helped him have hits that were undeniable. I mean Nas and Wu were making quality music. He wasn't more lyrical than Nas (IMO), was grimy like Wu but was able to give you the gritty, lyricism, and make bangers. He was all around that's why NY rode with him. He was "overall" the best at the time.


there was a push.

look at how the treatment the source awards gave him and bad boy as a whole.


ill give you the first one

second one :camby::heh:


I agree with everything besides the bold. I might be a little biased seeing how it's the first CD I actually paid for but I would put it in that "all time" category.


by not being an all-timer, I'm saying its not in my top 25.

I'm not short-changing it or anything.


Only argument to be made against BIG is that he didn't produce enough material before he died (way too early ). But his first 2 albums by themselves stand up to any 2 albums by any other rapper ever


ehh. he released enough music. it just didn't meet the mark for me.

but he did enough.

dropped 3 discs;
wrote the junior mafia & kim albums and wrote some of puff stuff.
ton of guest spots

the average run amongst the top when rap was more organic, was at best 3 albums and 3-5 years.

so he definitely did enough. its just a matter of how highly you think of his material.
 

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what did outkast & Ludacris do for southern rap

Name a Southern Rap artist not influenced or impacted by Outkast/Dungeon Family, and Luda is why Southern Rap artists can have attainable success in solo careers, and constantly changing up their styles to remain relevant, thus competing with other regions.

You can ever hear Outkast in Future and Luda in Young Thug or Waka, despite being bottom feeder versions of them. If you're from Mississippi, Big K.R.I.T.'s material can range from having an Outkast influence, or more like his collabs he did with Luda. You underestimate how they also sonically changed the South too, you still hear their styles in 2016 to some degree.



It's beyond ATL, into the rest of their region....
 
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