AOC says govt should rein news media : "you can't just spew disinformation '

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Its very simple. Any group that wants to list itself as a news organization is required to list its sources.

News is meant to be a form of education. Imagine going to school and your teacher is telling you that actually there weren't slaves and black people were paid well for their labor. If you ask the teacher says "people said that" and when you ask who they say "don't worry about it" would you trust that teacher?

If the statements and claims being made are not verifiable there should be consequences. Likewise with advertising. You can't come out with an ad saying "this product will cure your cancer" without providing ANY verifiable proof.

Cacs got whipped up into a frenzy talmbout some damn voter fraud with zero reliable sources to prove it.


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These people will not speak out if they know they could be ratted out.
 

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Saying news needs to be relegated isn't crazy
I never said it was; however, it's a slippery slope with the government directly getting involved in that.

As much as I loathe those racist azz cacs and what platforms like Fox News, Brietbart, and other outlets have done in regards to playing on their fears and ignorance thats still a slippery slope.

Most of them spew opinion and rhetoric as fact, and I wouldn't not want to set a more fact based broadcast up for the same scrunity.

Even if you regulate Fox News and others of the same ilk some other broadcast or outlet will find a loophole and emerge to cater to that demographic.

When you dealing with people especially people in a cult like movement you have to play the long game and not always be reactivate. The Republicans will have to eventually address the direction of their party. I would personally let the establishment ones and the tea party/MAGA ones eviscerate one another and it implode from the inside before I gave them a reason to rally behind something that both sides of that party will view as an attack on them and their freedom of press.
 

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Which part of what she said wasn't legal?
It dances around the first amendments freedom of press.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It's a slippery slope. You are one of the more insightful posters here. Don't play coy.

These conservative news outlets put the information out , and a lot of it is false and outright outlandish rhetoric, but when you as a government get into telling outlets how they need to report you walk a fine line on the first amendment.

Most of the shyt Fox spews should be buried somewhere in an editorial column in my opinion, but if you want to regulate them just remember you are setting up more factual outlets to be regulated in the same manner. What do think happens when conservatives eventually reassume power.
 

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These people will not speak out if they know they could be ratted out.
Thats not what I mean. I mean it in the sense that if youre doing a news story talking about climate change being fake or BLM having terrorists or the election being rigged. You should be required to actually prove the claims you're making.
 

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Thats not what I mean. I mean it in the sense that if youre doing a news story talking about climate change being fake or BLM having terrorists or the election being rigged. You should be required to actually prove the claims you're making.

Ok. it's hard though because a lot of things, even science, are consensus opinion, rather than fact-fact.

If they were to start being up-front about the foundations of their arguments, their work would start looking more like lectures and textbooks than entertainment and "news".
 

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I never said it was; however, it's a slippery slope with the government directly getting involved in that.

As much as I loathe those racist azz cacs and what platforms like Fox News, Brietbart, and other outlets have done in regards to playing on their fears and ignorance thats still a slippery slope.

Most of them spew opinion and rhetoric as fact, and I wouldn't not want to set a more fact based broadcast up for the same scrunity.

Even if you regulate Fox News and others of the same ilk some other broadcast or outlet will find a loophole and emerge to cater to that demographic.

When you dealing with people especially people in a cult like movement you have to play the long game and not always be reactivate. The Republicans will have to eventually address the direction of their party. I would personally let the establishment ones and the tea party/MAGA ones eviscerate one another and it implode from the inside before I gave them a reason to rally behind something that both sides of that party will view as an attack on them and their freedom of press.
Because regulations can be abused, doesn't mean you shouldn't regulate

The establishment and trumpers will end up taking everyone else in America out with them
 

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Ok. it's hard though because a lot of things, even science, are consensus opinion, rather than fact-fact.

If they were to start being up-front about the foundations of their arguments, their work would start looking more like lectures and textbooks than entertainment and "news".
Shows like patriot act, and last week tonight have been doing insane numbers in ratings because they know how to combine news and data in a way that informs and entertains people.

Id much rather have investigative journalism and interviews with professors and experts explaining how things work rather than people giving their opinions on what probably happened or what might have happened or what SHOULD happen. Opinions are being presented as facts and I think that's something we do have to pull back
 

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People only supporting this idea because they agree with AOC's political platform. Had someone like Steve King been saying the same exact shyt for example during the Mueller Russian investigation when CNN/MSNBC was calling Trump a straight up Russian mole, the same folks favoring this would be saying it would violate 'Freedom of the Press'.

You don't want to set this kind of precedent is what I'm saying. Hold these organizations accountable for misinformation like you would a company for selling a product that ends up being harmful. But you don't want the government be the gatekeeper of what news media can say. That's how dictators stay in power.
 

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It dances around the first amendments freedom of press.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It's a slippery slope. You are one of the more insightful posters here. Don't play coy.

These conservative news outlets put the information out , and a lot of it is false and outright outlandish rhetoric, but when you as a government get into telling outlets how they need to report you walk a fine line on the first amendment.

Most of the shyt Fox spews should be buried somewhere in an editorial column in my opinion, but if you want to regulate them just remember you are setting up more factual outlets to be regulated in the same manner. What do think happens when conservatives eventually reassume power.

I'm not playing coy. I'm asking you which part of what she said wasn't legal? You replied with 4 paragraphs but still didn't tell me which part of what she said is the problem.

I think people are reading their own assumptions into it and are failing to actually look at her words. She didn't say anything wrong, you just assume she means something wrong.




People only supporting this idea because they agree with AOC's political platform. Had someone like Steve King been saying the same exact shyt for example during the Mueller Russian investigation when CNN/MSNBC was calling Trump a straight up Russian mole, the same folks favoring this would be saying it would violate 'Freedom of the Press'.
Which part of what she says violates Freedom of Press? Which part specifically?
 

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People only supporting this idea because they agree with AOC's political platform. Had someone like Steve King been saying the same exact shyt for example during the Mueller Russian investigation when CNN/MSNBC was calling Trump a straight up Russian mole, the same folks favoring this would be saying it would violate 'Freedom of the Press'.

You don't want to set this kind of precedent is what I'm saying. Hold these organizations accountable for misinformation like you would a company for selling a product that ends up being harmful. But you don't want the government be the gatekeeper of what news media can say. That's how dictators stay in power.


The difference is that CNN/MSNBC can provide FACTS behind that reporting.
 

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Because regulations can be abused, doesn't mean you shouldn't regulate

The establishment and trumpers will end up taking everyone else in America out with them
The establishment and Trump aren't going to to take out anyone but themselves. A lot these same folks that are putting the cape on now for MAGA with be looks at like :mjpls: in history a few years down the road from now.

Government can't put muzzle on people just because they are lying and it is riling up people.

As long as they aren't breaking the law
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I'm not playing coy. I'm asking you which part of what she said wasn't legal? You replied with 4 paragraphs but still didn't tell me which part of what she said is the problem.

I think people are reading their own assumptions into it and are failing to actually look at her words. She didn't say anything wrong, you just assume she means something wrong.





Which part of what she says violates Freedom of Press? Which part specifically?
A commission to rein in means limit or control. Did AOC not say the Congress might have to create a commission to rein the media in??? I'm just checking because that is what is says in the headline of the article.

If Trump would have said the same shyt people probably specifically you would say that is unconstitutional. That shyt works both ways though even when it's something you don't agree with.

You can't limit something in media just because you don't like the information people are putting out there. That is government over reach.

Even if I do think the Republicans and everything they stand for is trash and has been for decades that's a violation of the constitution.
 
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