Apple Music claims they want to fix the royality rates to 9.1. cents per 100 plays

[Maschine_Man]

My nikka, it's 9.1 cents per 100 plays. It's chump change. Artists would be better off investing in their own streaming app. That's the issue with a beast of a company like Apple. Since everything is proprietary, you have to bow down to their whims

and how much did they get from radio plays?
even less.

I encourage artists to invest in their own streaming apps, invest in other ways to make money. Sell the product direct to the fans and get it out of the hands of the guys youhate.

But don't expect to use someone else's services and not have to pay for it.


Why don't they put the onus on the fans for not BUYING their product instead of streaming them?
Apple/Spotify just provide a service. They can't make the fans buy or listen to anything.

I mean you dudes in here are so up in arms about the artists getting ripped off but always the first to drop free links around here.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Not really.

Rappers going plat in the late 80's, early 90's had to do a hell of a lot more leg work, and had virtually no part of "the machine" behind them....while also (for artists like Cube, Ice-T, 2 Live Crew) having to deal with people trying to ban their music. MTV refused to play rap music initially, and you're telling me it's all the same? C'mon man. The sole reason rap crossed over into the mainstream is people couldn't ignore it any more. They tried, though.

Fred.

LOL, if you don't think there was a HUGE machine behind rappers in the 80's and especially in the 90's then you have officially been duped.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Not really.

Rappers going plat in the late 80's, early 90's had to do a hell of a lot more leg work, and had virtually no part of "the machine" behind them....while also (for artists like Cube, Ice-T, 2 Live Crew) having to deal with people trying to ban their music. MTV refused to play rap music initially, and you're telling me it's all the same? C'mon man. The sole reason rap crossed over into the mainstream is people couldn't ignore it any more. They tried, though.

Fred.

BTW artists back then actually had LESS to do than now.

 

[hex]

LOL, if you don't think there was a HUGE machine behind rappers in the 80's and especially in the 90's then you have officially been duped.

BTW artists back then actually had LESS to do than now.

Wrong on both accounts. I been into rap since '83, what can you tell me?

Rappers on major labels in the 80's and early 90's were an after thought. Most rappers didn't receive mainstream radio play, unless they had cross over hits. In an era where crossing over was frowned on.

MTV initially refused to play rap, like I said. Even when they did play rap, it was during certain hours for YO! MTV Raps.

I'm not talking late 90's into the 00's. I'm talking 80's and early 90's. You said "it was always like this". Nah, it wasn't.

And the only reason artists had to do less back then is because there was only one avenue for breaking into the music business. With the internet and social media you can completely circumvent all that.

Fred.

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

LOL, if you don't think there was a HUGE machine behind rappers in the 80's and especially in the 90's then you have officially been duped.

Dude I got my first radio gig as a young intern in 1991

Virtually no labels in the 80s and the early 90s even had a Rap department or budget for rappers

Hell HOT 97 didnt become a hip hop station till 1993

As @hex says RAP WAS AN AFTERTHOUGHT

hell most rappers had to be booked as openin acts on R&B and FUNK tours with the exception of the FRESH FEST and DOPE JAM

I remember rap not getting any airplay until late at night on the mixshows

And this was in the MECCA OF HIP HOP TOO....WBLS.......KISS FM played mostly R&B in the daytime.....

Same with my gig we were not allowed to play rap till after 9pm

So u duped yourself...im 40 I was there

 

[hex]

Dude I got my first radio gig as a young intern in 1991

Virtually no labels in the 80s and the early 90s even had a Rap department or budget for rappers

Hell HOT 97 didnt become a hip hop station till 1993

As @hex says RAP WAS AN AFTERTHOUGHT

hell most rappers had to be booked as openin acts on R&B and FUNK tours with the exception of the FRESH FEST and DOPE JAM

I remember rap not getting any airplay until late at night on the mixshows

And this was in the MECCA OF HIP HOP TOO....WBLS.......KISS FM played mostly R&B in the daytime.....

Same with my gig we were not allowed to play rap till after 9pm

So u duped yourself...im 40 I was there

Thank you!

Anybody claiming "shyt was always like this" is 100% delusional. There was a huge stigma rap had to over some, to even be considered equal to other genres.

More to the point @Easy-E made, now it's simple as fukk to convince people something should blow up. Look at what they did with Iggy Azalea, and "Fancy".

PE and Cube (and others, but I'll focus on these two) went plat with no prime time video play from MTV, no mainstream radio play, and no hit singles. For lack of a better term "the streets" blew them up.

Back in the day if something caught on there was still a chance it was natural. Nowadays you got crews like TDE pretending to be indie years after they signed to majors. And I like TDE, but it is not the same. Nothing is left to chance now.

Fred.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Wrong on both accounts. I been into rap since '83, what can you tell me?

Rappers on major labels in the 80's and early 90's were an after thought. Most rappers didn't receive mainstream radio play, unless they had cross over hits. In an era where crossing over was frowned on.

MTV initially refused to play rap, like I said. Even when they did play rap, it was during certain hours for YO! MTV Raps.

I'm not talking late 90's into the 00's. I'm talking 80's and early 90's. You said "it was always like this". Nah, it wasn't.

And the only reason artists had to do less back then is because there was only one avenue for breaking into the music business. With the internet and social media you can completely circumvent all that.

Fred.

First off when I said it was always like this I was talking about music in general...but I guess that went over your head(even though I said 1966 too).

but yes, Rappers even in the 80's and 90's were getting press. It wasn't just about radio play. But how the labels got behind them and pushed their product.
Do you know how many rappers were sponsored by corporate products?

What about Sprite, Troop, Adidas, british Knights, ...all in the 80's?? You saying there wasn't a machine there pushing them?

Sprite was sponsoring rappers for the longest, Even liquor too.

I mean I'm really talking about late 80's early 90's but that shyt was all over.

What about all the hiphop movies and shyt?

bruh, there was and still is a huge machine behind these rappers. But it's cooler if they keep that shyt on the low so it seems like it is more organic to suckers who buy in to that shyt.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Here they go trying to justify their theft of publishing and ad revenue.
While also creating a fukk'n monopoly damn near of the commerce of music.

We got a black president who won't even step in a protect the few things they let black people do in this country.

fukk America.

Art Barr

Not enough openly gay artists or Mexican music for him to do anything about it.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Dude I got my first radio gig as a young intern in 1991

Virtually no labels in the 80s and the early 90s even had a Rap department or budget for rappers

Hell HOT 97 didnt become a hip hop station till 1993

As @hex says RAP WAS AN AFTERTHOUGHT

hell most rappers had to be booked as openin acts on R&B and FUNK tours with the exception of the FRESH FEST and DOPE JAM

I remember rap not getting any airplay until late at night on the mixshows

And this was in the MECCA OF HIP HOP TOO....WBLS.......KISS FM played mostly R&B in the daytime.....

Same with my gig we were not allowed to play rap till after 9pm

So u duped yourself...im 40 I was there

what?

This isn't all about radio play "the Machine" isn't just about radio play. IF you really don't think there were ppl putting large money behind these rappers even in the 80's then you've been played bruh.

 

[hex]

First off when I said it was always like this I was talking about music in general...but I guess that went over your head(even though I said 1966 too).

but yes, Rappers even in the 80's and 90's were getting press. It wasn't just about radio play. But how the labels got behind them and pushed their product.
Do you know how many rappers were sponsored by corporate products?

What about Sprite, Troop, Adidas, british Knights, ...all in the 80's?? You saying there wasn't a machine there pushing them?

Sprite was sponsoring rappers for the longest, Even liquor too.

I mean I'm really talking about late 80's early 90's but that shyt was all over.

What about all the hiphop movies and shyt?

bruh, there was and still is a huge machine behind these rappers. But it's cooler if they keep that shyt on the low so it seems like it is more organic to suckers who buy in to that shyt.

First off I don't care about other genres of music. I specifically said rap, and you argued the point.

BK and Troop were not mainstream brands. You'd have to be into urban wear to even know they existed.

The Adidas deal for RUN DMC was unprecedented at the time, and they were the first legit super-star rap group. A one off =/= "this is how things are".

Kurtis Blow was literally the first rapper in history with a hit single, Sprite fukking with him =/= "this is how things always were".

You're taking a couple examples and applying them to an entire era. Do I know how many rappers were sponsored by corporations....no, why don't you tell me?

As far as movies if you mean stuff like "Beat Street" and "Breakin'", neither were strictly hip-hop. The punk/disco/club scene was huge in early hip-hop, before it became it's own thing. "Hip-hop movies" as we know them didn't really take off until the mid 90's, with "The Show" and "Rhyme & Reason". By that point hip-hop was already 15 years old.

And define "sponsored" as opposed to just "signed to a major". Labels were signing rappers left and right even though most of them had no budget or man power to promote rappers, like @The HONORABLE SKJ said. Rappers were very low priority until the mid 90's.

Fred.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Thank you!

Anybody claiming "shyt was always like this" is 100% delusional. There was a huge stigma rap had to over some, to even be considered equal to other genres.

More to the point @Easy-E made, now it's simple as fukk to convince people something should blow up. Look at what they did with Iggy Azalea, and "Fancy".

PE and Cube (and others, but I'll focus on these two) went plat with no prime time video play from MTV, no mainstream radio play, and no hit singles. For lack of a better term "the streets" blew them up.

Back in the day if something caught on there was still a chance it was natural. Nowadays you got crews like TDE pretending to be indie years after they signed to majors. And I like TDE, but it is not the same. Nothing is left to chance now.

Fred.

that "huge stigma" was part of the machine using controversy to sell music. LOL. geez you dudes really are that naïve huh?


PE and Ice Cube were both signed to Major Labels that were pushing their music.

Dudes in Europe and all over North America were banging their music. But yea I guess it was homegrown New Yorkers that were blowing them up like that huh?

give me a break.

 

[KushSkywalker]

Get 90$ for 100,000 streams brehs.

 

[hex]

what?

This isn't all about radio play "the Machine" isn't just about radio play. IF you really don't think there were ppl putting large money behind these rappers even in the 80's then you've been played bruh.

Why don't you explain what you mean. What was the money going into?

Clearly not radio play, there was no radio stations playing them during prime time. Not for video promotion, MTV refused to do that too.

that "huge stigma" was part of the machine using controversy to sell music. LOL. geez you dudes really are that naïve huh?


PE and Ice Cube were both signed to Major Labels that were pushing their music.

Dudes in Europe and all over North America were banging their music. But yea I guess it was homegrown New Yorkers that were blowing them up like that huh?

give me a break.

Breh, how old are you? First off, tell me that.

Signed to a major =/= "they were getting pushed". Tell me how either of those artists were receiving promotion equal to what artists do now. Neither had radio play or a hit singles. Or videos in rotation. If you heard of them, you'd have to specifically listen to rap, and seek them out.

Yeah, I'm sure MTV's trepidation to play rap wasn't due to racism and insecurity, it was a huge marketing ploy by major corporations because "stigma" sells.

If you aren't old enough to remember how universally reviled and disrespected rap music was back then, please don't speak on it. Especially not as some sort of marketing campaign. You sound retarded.

Fred.

 

[Maschine_Man]

First off I don't care about other genres of music. I specifically said rap, and you argued the point.

BK and Troop were not mainstream brands. You'd have to be into urban wear to even know they existed.

The Adidas deal for RUN DMC was unprecedented at the time, and they were the first legit super-star rap group. A one off =/= "this is how things are".

Kurtis Blow was literally the first rapper in history with a hit single, Sprite fukking with him =/= "this is how things always were".

You're taking a couple examples and applying them to an entire era. Do I know how many rappers were sponsored by corporations....no, why don't you tell me?

As far as movies if you mean stuff like "Beat Street" and "Breakin'", neither were strictly hip-hop. The punk/disco/club scene was huge in early hip-hop, before it became it's own thing. "Hip-hop movies" as we know them didn't really take off until the mid 90's, with "The Show" and "Rhyme & Reason". By that point hip-hop was already 15 years old.

And define "sponsored" as opposed to just "signed to a major". Labels were signing rappers left and right even though most of them had no budget or man power to promote rappers, like @The HONORABLE SKJ said. Rappers were very low priority until the mid 90's.

Fred.

first off I remember as a kid I'd watch this kids game show and they were sponsored by BK so you can dead that BS.

Heavy D, Kris Kross, Kid And Play, not to mention Nas ATCQ, Grand Puba all had sponsorship deals in the 80's and early 90's

and Wild Style, Breakin, Beat Street, Krush Groove, etc were all hiphop movies, or movies with rap and hiphop in it. so stop moving the goalposts here.
Not to mention movies like House Party (1,2,3), Boyz N The Hood,

shyt you can even look at movies like CB4 and Fear of a black hat that came out in the early 90's that were parodying rappers for fukk sakes.

What about Who's the man that had every rapper in the world in it at the time? What about juice? New Jack City?



rappers were huge in the early 90's too.

 

[CoCKy GeNiuS]

These are just royalty numbers Brehs, still low but not the actual contract numbers per stream.