April 5th Wisconsin Primary - If Bernie loses it's time to Pack it in

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You're wrong, Define what you mean about "put him away"?

Hillary has never been this transcendent politician and doesn't have a way with words, and she's also part of the establishment because she's been in public life for two decades...

What you said about Bernie is true but it seems you aren't giving him credit. He has a great gift of gab, resonating message and a strong grassroots campaign and most importantly he's raising a LOT of money!

He can't put her away? Even by pledged delegates she's up by a large margin and she only has to play prevent defense, he got swept in the south and 5-0'd last month. Stop acting like they are in a tie. Both have become better politicians though.

By put him away I mean "create an insurmountable lead that would allow her to make her inevitable pivot to the center".

I'm a Bernie supporter. I've sent him money. I went to the county caucus for him here, but let's not act like he's Obama-level on the mic or Roosevelt-level in terms of policy. So the fact that she can't take out a candidate that wasn't even a Democrat until last year speaks far more to Hillary's weakness than it does to Bernie's strengths. And yes, Bernie has bales of cash, but if she did her job the way she was supposed to and beat the brakes off him in Iowa, N.H. and Nevada instead of looking vulnerable, she could have stopped the Sanders machine before it turned into the fundraising monster it is today.
 

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By put him away I mean "create an insurmountable lead that would allow her to make her inevitable pivot to the center".

I'm a Bernie supporter. I've sent him money. I went to the county caucus for him here, but let's not act like he's Obama-level on the mic or Roosevelt-level in terms of policy. So the fact that she can't take out a candidate that wasn't even a Democrat until last year speaks far more to Hillary's weakness than it does to Bernie's strengths. And yes, Bernie has bales of cash, but if she did her job the way she was supposed to and beat the brakes off him in Iowa, N.H. and Nevada instead of looking vulnerable, she could have stopped the Sanders machine before it turned into the fundraising monster it is today.

His message is resonating despite him being a 74 year old Senator from a small state.

The people including independents and some Republicans are gravitating toward him in these open primaries because the majority of the American people want the policies he's proposing which go against the neo-liberal economic message that's been pushed for 40 years.

On a macro-scale, his run here explains why he was Mayor of Burlington for 8 years (he called himself a socialist then... during the end of the Cold War and was able to work with people), why he won his seat in Congress so many times, why he won big for Senate in 2006 and 2012.
 

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It won't happen because the goal is to have more pledge delegates than the other person. If Bernie has more pledge delegates than Hillary it would be one thing but he doesn't right now. So when the Supers end up going HIllary's way they will just say "She had more pledged Delegates". Also people clearly forget Hillary won more votes than Obama in the 2008 run and it was eventually the Super Delegates that gave him the nomination. The only Riot that's going to happen is at the GOP convention because the party is clearly in full Anti-Trump mode and they do not want him as the nominee.

So they end up selecting Cruz instead it could split the party with Trump going independent. Bernie already said he won't run for 3rd party if he doesn't get the nomination. Hillary may lose a big percentage of Bernie voters but some will still cross over and vote for her espeically if Trump ends up being the nominee. So again Hillary only goal is to have more pledge delegates than Bernie by the convention. It's the media that keeps showing Hillary "Super Delegate" Totals to make it like Bernie is getting blownout. Bernie is closing the gap for sure but not fast enough.


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Wisconsin Delegates:

Bernie - 46
Hillary - 43

+ 3 Bernie

That's not good enough.

That's why I called it a morale victory. If he ain't blow her out, than that's more of a Win for Hillary.

But imma let the Bernie bros live

Until that inevitable L :pachaha:
 

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It won't happen because the goal is to have more pledge delegates than the other person. If Bernie has more pledge delegates than Hillary it would be one thing but he doesn't right now. So when the Supers end up going HIllary's way they will just say "She had more pledged Delegates". Also people clearly forget Hillary won more votes than Obama in the 2008 run and it was eventually the Super Delegates that gave him the nomination. The only Riot that's going to happen is at the GOP convention because the party is clearly in full Anti-Trump mode and they do not want him as the nominee.

So they end up selecting Cruz instead it could split the party with Trump going independent. Bernie already said he won't run for 3rd party if he doesn't get the nomination. Hillary may lose a big percentage of Bernie voters but some will still cross over and vote for her espeically if Trump ends up being the nominee. So again Hillary only goal is to have more pledge delegates than Bernie by the convention. It's the media that keeps showing Hillary "Super Delegate" Totals to make it like Bernie is getting blownout. Bernie is closing the gap for sure but not fast enough.


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Wisconsin Delegates:

Bernie - 46
Hillary - 43

+ 3 Bernie

That's not good enough.
the delegate count from last night was 47-36
 

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That's why I called it a morale victory. If he ain't blow her out, than that's more of a Win for Hillary.

But imma let the Bernie bros live

Until that inevitable L :pachaha:
This is bs though. That number includes superdelegates. He was plus 10.
 

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By put him away I mean "create an insurmountable lead that would allow her to make her inevitable pivot to the center".

I'm a Bernie supporter. I've sent him money. I went to the county caucus for him here, but let's not act like he's Obama-level on the mic or Roosevelt-level in terms of policy. So the fact that she can't take out a candidate that wasn't even a Democrat until last year speaks far more to Hillary's weakness than it does to Bernie's strengths. And yes, Bernie has bales of cash, but if she did her job the way she was supposed to and beat the brakes off him in Iowa, N.H. and Nevada instead of looking vulnerable, she could have stopped the Sanders machine before it turned into the fundraising monster it is today.
Ok I understand your point more now. But still her lead is damn near insurmountable. Why do you think those talking heads were going hard at bernie's campaign manager last night.

Yes, you're right, he was not even a democrat and a little known senator from vermont but also remember 8+ years ago obama was little known and in the beggining she was STILL winning the black vote.

No doubt she's a flawed candidate. Bernie has made her a better candidate. I just dont believe it needs to be psychoanalyzed on why she cant be that "super strong" candidate. Its simple: She's bland and doesnt have a resonanting message.

Thats not to say being the opposite of hillary will get things accomplished in washington. I think you're point and so many others is this old, bow legged, white man from vermont should NOT be doing this well against "THE MACHINE" of hillary and I agree..

But remember, her last presidential opponent was offering "change" and people gravitated towards that and her current opponent is offering the "overthrow" and "revolution".

Hillary's biggest weakness is she's not new and is not offering anything new that is exciting, so some people want an alternative to the satus quo and uknown..
 

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This is bs though. That number includes superdelegates. He was plus 10.
All the headlines today basically said "Bernie won Wisconsin, but barely puts a dent in Hillarys lead"

Like I said, if it ain't a blow out, It don't matter, even if he wins the remaining states, he's not getting blowouts, so it won't matter :umad:
 

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All the headlines today basically said "Bernie won Wisconsin, but barely puts a dent in Hillarys lead"

Like I said, if it ain't a blow out, It don't matter, even if he wins the remaining states, he's not getting blowouts, so it won't matter :umad:

From what I've read what Bernie "accomplished" last night increased his position by the equivalent of a whopping 1-2%.
 
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