Aquaman (OFFICIAL THREAD) #WanBillion !!! $1.148 Billi !!!

[Still FloW]

It'll be crazy if Aquaman resurrects the DCEU...Who would of thought.

I'm curious too see how the handle the underwater and fish talking shyt. It can come off ass corny but if they play it right it can be dope.

AquaGAWD finna carry the DCEU on his back till SHAZAM and WW 2 drop. those 3 gonna hold the helm till reeves BATMAN drops and then the DCEU gonna be in a beautiful place and then. we need a fuccin Man of Steel 2

 

[Jack Skellington]

this shyt is going to be hot trash you just know it

 

[Rekkapryde]

I fully expect this jawn to be dope. Def looking forward to it.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

this shyt is going to be hot trash you just know it

Wan has never missed. This would be his first. You sound like a bih

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

It was about Clark coming in terms with being a super powered being that some see as a god like figure. He on one wants to have a normal life but he feels he has a duty to use his power to help other people. He has good intentions so when the people protest against him he kind of takes it to heart. Snyder gave him, imo, a human reaction seeing in how he was raised. I don't know how Snyder was going to go about it in JL. I'm guessing the end result was pretty much what we got but would've given him more time to get to that point.

Having just gone through the nine available volumes of Superman: The Man of Steel, I'll say that Snyder's Superman is like a more realistic take of the Superman that John Byrne wrote when he relaunched Superman after Crisis on Infinite Earths

Except what he presented was not the character of Clark Kent/Superman. You can have a Superman seeking answers and trying to find his identity (Birthright) without shytting all over the essence of the character which is what Snyder did. He should have course corrected after MOS, hell the opening take for BVS showed audiences were willing to forgive and forget if he got things right. Sadly not only did he further b*stardise Superman he then added Batman to the fukkery. The guy is a great visual director and certainly knows how to do action but in terms of story and character he is terrible, so how WB/DC expected him to craft a cinematic universe I will never know.

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

Test Screening Reactions Point To AQUAMAN Putting JUSTICE LEAGUE And WONDER WOMAN To Shame

Just to put things into context, MOS was said to be the best film ever made by WB and was expected to make a billion this was said by the head of WB at the time. Early reactions are not to be trusted.

 

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Except what he presented was not the character of Clark Kent/Superman. You can have a Superman seeking answers and trying to find his identity (Birthright) without shytting all over the essence of the character which is what Snyder did. He should have course corrected after MOS, hell the opening take for BVS showed audiences were willing to forgive and forget if he got things right. Sadly not only did he further b*stardise Superman he then added Batman to the fukkery. The guy is a great visual director and certainly knows how to do action but in terms of story and character he is terrible, so how WB/DC expected him to craft a cinematic universe I will never know.

What parts did you feel where the essence of the character was shytted on? Batman, also?

 

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It'll be crazy if Aquaman resurrects the DCEU...Who would of thought.

I'm curious too see how the handle the underwater and fish talking shyt. It can come off ass corny but if they play it right it can be dope.

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

What parts did you feel where the essence of the character was shytted on? Batman, also?

The hero essence and the embodiment of hope like he was meant to be. The fact that Snyder has Superman say Superman was never real and no one stays good in this world. Also a number of his actions were very unsuperman like. Then you have Batman murking people let right and centre in BVS. You can have a disgruntled Batman but to have him outright murder several thugs was crazy. Also he is meant to be extremely intelligent but was completely played by Lex who didn’t seem all that intelligent himself.

 

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The hero essence and the embodiment of hope like he was meant to be. The fact that Snyder has Superman say Superman was never real and no one stays good in this world. Also a number of his actions were very unsuperman like. Then you have Batman murking people let right and centre in BVS. You can have a disgruntled Batman but to have him outright murder several thugs was crazy. Also he is meant to be extremely intelligent but was completely played by Lex who didn’t seem all that intelligent himself.

The character arc wasn't finished but we got that end result in Justice League when Clark was revived. We saw glimpses of it in MOS and BvS but he was still learning the ropes on what a hero is(he has only been Superman for like a year or so) as well as juggling it with his civilian life. Like I mentioned before, this characterization is akin to Byrne's Superman. To quote John Byrne on his interpretation of the character

Clark grew up as human, thinks as a human, reacts as a human. He lives and loves as a human. And that is what really defines him.

Batman, his kills were less direct than what we saw in Batman 89, Batman Returns, and pre-Robin golden age . He was older, and lost his way a bit. Him realizing Superman was a man with loved ones and not some monster brought him back

These characters been around since the 1930s with thousands of stories written by tons of different writers each with their own interpretation of the character.
You can not like how they are shown but to say the characterizations are wrong is false, imo

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

The character arc wasn't finished but we got that end result in Justice League when Clark was revived. We saw glimpses of it in MOS and BvS but he was still learning the ropes on what a hero is(he has only been Superman for like a year or so) as well as juggling it with his civilian life. Like I mentioned before, this characterization is akin to Byrne's Superman. To quote John Byrne on his interpretation of the character


Batman, his kills were less direct than what we saw in Batman 89, Batman Returns, and pre-Robin golden age . He was older, and lost his way a bit. Him realizing Superman was a man with loved ones and not some monster brought him back

These characters been around since the 1930s with thousands of stories written by tons of different writers each with their own interpretation of the character.
You can not like how they are shown but to say the characterizations are wrong is false, imo

Letting his father die was not a learning curve, also there was things thrown in that could have been avoided if not for Snyder wanting to angst things up. Clark Kent isn’t an isolated loner and at the least is able to interact with people and form bonds. Snyder Superman is an isolated loner whose only bond with humans is Lois Lane and his mother. Also he destroyed one of the greatest comic romances of all time because he most likely didn’t know how to handle the dynamic of their relationship. There is no defending a lot of the stupidity implemented in MOS and followed by BVS. Why have Clark kill on his first outing, killing for Superman is meant to be a huge topic of discussion but Snyder has him do it and simply glosses over it. This Superman is meant to represent hope going by the fact they brought this up countless times but he lacks optimism and easily breaks and calls into question all that he stands for.

Regarding Batman you are right to a degree and I think him killing ruins a potential under the hood story arc. Besides that having a new Batman who would potentially be required for multiple films spanning decades be an out of prime Batman. Affleck looked out of place in Justice League the guy cant keep up with the physical aspect of what is required for Batman. It’s like Snyder doesn’t think and just does things.

 

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Letting his father die was not a learning curve, also there was things thrown in that could have been avoided if not for Snyder wanting to angst things up. Clark Kent isn’t an isolated loner and at the least is able to interact with people and form bonds. Snyder Superman is an isolated loner whose only bond with humans is Lois Lane and his mother. Also he destroyed one of the greatest comic romances of all time because he most likely didn’t know how to handle the dynamic of their relationship. There is no defending a lot of the stupidity implemented in MOS and followed by BVS. Why have Clark kill on his first outing, killing for Superman is meant to be a huge topic of discussion but Snyder has him do it and simply glosses over it. This Superman is meant to represent hope going by the fact they brought this up countless times but he lacks optimism and easily breaks and calls into question all that he stands for.

You are looking at it wrong. Even though I don't like the way it was done he didn't let his father die willingly. Johnathan didn't want Clark to save him because he knew there was more Clark could do for the world if his power was revealed at that moment. That episode cause Clark to fall into a depression and try to find himself -- to find the meaning behind his dad's sacrifice.
What do you mean by Snyder destroyed the romance? Clark and Lois are together.
Killing was unavoidable. Zod had one purpose and there was no stopping him. Definitely when you look at the situation he was in. It wasn't glossed over either you can see how much it hurt him to kill Zod. Funny enough Superman killed Zod and the two others during John Byrne's run too.

Like I brought up before the character arc wasn't finished properly and Clark was still a rookie and this is a grounded take on the character much like John Byrne's run. Him initially having human reactions like doubt and uncertainty does not ruin the character. And by the end of Justice League he found his way to the symbol of hope and optimism that you mentioned.

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

You are looking at it wrong. Even though I don't like the way it was done he didn't let his father die willingly. Johnathan didn't want Clark to save him because he knew there was more Clark could do for the world if his power was revealed at that moment. That episode cause Clark to fall into a depression and try to find himself -- to find the meaning behind his dad's sacrifice.
What do you mean by Snyder destroyed the romance? Clark and Lois are together.
Killing was unavoidable. Zod had one purpose and there was no stopping him. Definitely when you look at the situation he was in. It wasn't glossed over either you can see how much it hurt him to kill Zod. Funny enough Superman killed Zod and the two others during John Byrne's run too.

Like I brought up before the character arc wasn't finished properly and Clark was still a rookie and this is a grounded take on the character much like John Byrne's run. Him initially having human reactions like doubt and uncertainty does not ruin the character. And by the end of Justice League he found his way to the symbol of hope and optimism that you mentioned.

He didn’t want Clark to reveal himself and yet he does so anyway later down the line.Not to mention Clark can move faster than the human eye can comprehend. It was a terrible idea and was poorly executed. Again you are missing the point about him killing Zod. Yes he killed him but we did not see the ramifications of that besides a scream and cry in Lois lap. After that he was back to normal, Superman killing should be a huge thing and one that haunts him forever that in itself is a film unto itself.

Regarding Clark and Lois romance the fandom has always liked the idea of playing off the triad of Lois, Clark and Superman. Snyder wasn’t creative enough to handle that dynamic so dropped it entirely and just put them together because Lois and Clark have to be together. There is no build up or indication to the audience that these two have great chemistry they are just together because. You are right that Superman character arc was better in Justice League but this by all account was Whedon because apparently in Snyder version Superman came back bad.

 

[Still FloW]

this shyt is going to be hot trash you just know it

and your mom's a whore you bottom feeding son of a red light no moral having whore of a mother.. imma smack your father for ever nutting in that crackhead that decided to birth you instead of sending you out the only possible way, through a coat hangar...

sullying the air each day as your worthless life continues... fucc boy.. go keep on succin mouse dikk like your mother taught you

dont forget to get your stomach pumped

 

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He didn’t want Clark to reveal himself and yet he does so anyway later down the line.Not to mention Clark can move faster than the human eye can comprehend. It was a terrible idea and was poorly executed. Again you are missing the point about him killing Zod. Yes he killed him but we did not see the ramifications of that besides a scream and cry in Lois lap. After that he was back to normal, Superman killing should be a huge thing and one that haunts him forever that in itself is a film unto itself.

Regarding Clark and Lois romance the fandom has always liked the idea of playing off the triad of Lois, Clark and Superman. Snyder wasn’t creative enough to handle that dynamic so dropped it entirely and just put them together because Lois and Clark have to be together. There is no build up or indication to the audience that these two have great chemistry they are just together because. You are right that Superman character arc was better in Justice League but this by all account was Whedon because apparently in Snyder version Superman came back bad.

The government would be all over Clark and his folks if Clark revealed his powers. Seeing how Clark was in front of the crowd even with super speed people would've none something was up since one second Johnathan was near the tornado and the next second with Martha and Kent. No telling how a small hick town would react.

With Zod, it was the end of the movie. We got the reaction but how much more do you have to linger on that? He killed to save innocent people. He grieved for a little but the alternative would've been worse. No different than what happened in the comics when he killed him. It's a lot better than Superman and Lois killing Zod and Ursa and being about it in Superman 2. Hell Zod wasn't no longer a threat when Superman killed him having lost his powers making him a mere mortal

Lois/Clark/Superman triangle seems nitpicking to me. I'm part of that fandom and it didn't bother me one bit. It wouldn't fit with the story imo.

No where did I mention that his arc was better in JL. What I did mention was that his overall character wasn't finished and rushed in JL since Snyder was fired. Originally we were getting the black suit Superman and then his awakening to the iconic Superman to defeat Darkseid over two films. What we got in replace of that was a Russian family