Are people serious with this "Kanye saved Jay career" bullshyt?

[Alvin]

He can do that lol

And he did do it quite successfully with Magna Carta

the thing is jay don’t have to leave his number 1 base like most people. But when do go overseas he do this

Jay-Z sells out London show in '15 seconds'

Tickets for Alexandra Palace show snapped up this morning (Oct 9)

www.nme.com

did he tour or just do a show?

 

[Cladyclad]

did he tour or just do a show?

a tour

Extra Jay Z dates added after huge demand for UK tour

Tickets for Jay's Magna Carter UK & Ireland tour went on sale at 9am this morning through Ticketmaster and Live Nation, but many fans found themselves unable to secure them within seconds.

metro.co.uk

 

[L $ C]

saved? no

hugely benefited from and gave new pop life? yes

 

[Alvin]

a tour

Extra Jay Z dates added after huge demand for UK tour

Tickets for Jay's Magna Carter UK & Ireland tour went on sale at 9am this morning through Ticketmaster and Live Nation, but many fans found themselves unable to secure them within seconds.

metro.co.uk

show is one thing, tour in an english speaking country, although foreign is another. I'm saying could he tour all of europe like Kanye, Nicki, 50, Drake can?

 

[Cladyclad]

show is one thing, tour in an english speaking country, although foreign is another. I'm saying could he tour all of europe like Kanye, Nicki, 50, Drake can?

These goal posts lol

Jay-Z Global Express Tour 2006 September 9, 2006 Boisko mineralne Wisly, Kraków, POL (Coke Live Music Festival 2006) September 10, 2006 Incheba Expo Arena, Bratislava, SLK September 15, 2006 Heineken Music Hall, Amsterdam, NED September 16, 2006 Maimarkthalle, Mannheim, GER September 18, 2006 Refresh The Venue, Istanbul, TUR September 19, 2006 Athinon Arena, Athens, GRE September 21, 2006 MEN Arena, Manchester, ENG September 22, 2006 Scottish Exhibition and Conference Centre, Glasgow, SCOT September 23, 2006 National Indoor Arena, Birmingham, ENG September 24, 2006 Wembley Arena, London, ENG September 26, 2006 Point Theatre, Dublin, IRE September 27, 2006 Royal Albert Hall, London, ENG September 29, 2006 Le Zénith, Paris, FRA September 30, 2006 FieraMilano, Milan, ITY October 2, 2006 Razzmatazz, Barcelona, SPA October 4, 2006 Diamond Jubilee Hall Exhibition Centre, Dar es Salaam, TAN October 6, 2006 International Conference Centre, Accra, GHA October 8, 2006 This Day Entertainment Center, Lagos, NIG October 9, 2006 Cine Karl Max, Luanda, ANG October 11, 2006 Belleville Velodrome, Cape Town, SA October 13, 2006 ABSA Stadium, Durban, SA October 14, 2006 Coca-Cola Dome, Johannesburg, SA October 17, 2006 AsiaWorld-Arena, Hong Kong, HK October 18, 2006 BEC Tero Hall, Bangkok, THAI October 20, 2006 Olympic Gymnastics Arena, Seoul, SK October 21, 2006 Taipei Arena, Taipei, TAI October 23, 2006 Suntec City Concert Hall, Singapore, SIN October 25, 2006 Entertainment Centre, Sydney, AUS October 26, 2006 Entertainment Centre, Brisbane, AUS October 28, 2006 Rod Laver Arena, Melbourne, AUS

are these places non english speaking enough for you?

 

[Low End Derrick]

Kanye was not doing "arena Pop rock anthems" during that era. If anything, this was T.I.'s approach during that era. From "No Matter What" to "Live Ya Life" to "Dead and Gone". Musically down to the features, this was more so T.I. during that era than Kanye.

Nah he defiantly was doing arena rap during that era. He intentionally made Graduation to sound that way.

After spending the previous year touring the world with Irish rock band U2 on their Vertigo Tour, West became inspired by watching Bono open the stadium tours every night to incredible ovations and sought out to compose anthemic rap songs that could operate more efficiently in large stadiums and arenas. j

Graduation (album) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[JustCKing]

Nah he defiantly was doing arena rap during that era. He intentionally made Graduation to sound that way.

Graduation (album) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That was 2007. BP3 dropped in 2009. By that time, Kanye's latest album was 808's & Heartbreaks. Which means during the recording of BP3, it was during the era in which he was recording 808's & Heartbreaks. Even still, Graduation didn't have Kanye on these big power Pop songs with huge Pop singers on the hook. This didn't become trendy until Paper Trail.

 

[MoshpitMazi]

nikkas do not realize how deep ye LACED WTT

It's a classic

 

[H.J.Duck]

Jesus christ there's some dumb takes in this thread

 

[Awesome Wells]

People's hate for Jay never ceases to amaze me. Son has been on top and consistent his whole career.

Did he benefit from working with Ye, sure. Did Ye benefit from the Jay co-sign? Of course he fukking did.

Jay would still be Jay regardless, and the impact he has had on the careers of Ye, Rihanna and Beyonce is bigger than the one they had on his.

Facts.

Without Dame and Jay, Kanye probably never gets an album out, as a rapper. But Hov was selling out tours and selling his most records ever, before Kanye even threw him a beat. So that's the thing about Jay, he really never needed anyone. He can cook a classic with whoever is around and he's shown that since day one. American Gangster was mostly produced by two Terror Squad producers, mixed with a couple loosies from known names, and that's one of his best albums. His last album was just him and No ID, and the sh*t was critically acclaimed.

Again, Kanye ain't save sh*t.

 

[Low End Derrick]

That was 2007. BP3 dropped in 2009. By that time, Kanye's latest album was 808's & Heartbreaks. Which means during the recording of BP3, it was during the era in which he was recording 808's & Heartbreaks. Even still, Graduation didn't have Kanye on these big power Pop songs with huge Pop singers on the hook. This didn't become trendy until Paper Trail.

Stronger, Flashing Lights, Big Brother, Homecoming, Good Life were definitely all big sounding anthemic songs designed to ring off in arenas.

 

[JustCKing]

Stronger, Flashing Lights, Big Brother, Homecoming, Good Life were definitely all big sounding anthemic songs designed to ring off in arenas.

Yes, they are. That sound didn't start with Kanye. In Hip Hop, T.I./Toomp were making these big anthemic songs. "What You Know" was their biggest and that led to Kanye having Toomp produce songs on Graduation. Jay Z even had Toomp on American Gangster. The other side of that are songs like "Flashing Lights", "Stronger", and "Good Life" which obviously had a Timbaland influence.

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Kanye helped push Jay beyond the strictly black demo and pushed him into a household name.

That happened in 98

 

[JustCKing]

That happened in 98

This.

And in terms of the '00's decade, I don't think people understand how big those Black Album remixes were. Those helped not only Jay's legacy, but kept him relevant and made him more relevant to people who didn't listen to rap. One of those tapes blended The Black Album with the Beatles. A lot of Jay's biggest hits in the '00's and '10's had nothing to do with Kanye:

Big Pimpin'

I Just Wanna Love Ya

Excuse Me Miss

Change Clothes

Dirt Off Your Shoulders

99 Problems

Show Me What You Got

Empire State of Mind (his biggest song as a solo artist)

Holy Grail

 

[BK The Great]

Ask yourself if Jay Z never met Kanye would he have had 20 straight years of consistent dominance or just fell off after his lil run in the 90s? End of discussion

Just Blaze gave him a push in the early 2000’s too so his run would’ve still been intact. Look at Blueprint 2 & The Black Album.