Are records in a 17-game season really the "record" ?

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Yea and that's the HUGE difference.. NOBODY says it. Nobody mentions it. Like there's a memorandum on not saying it a single time, before, during or after being broken, that it took an extra game to do it.


It's not the fact it's happening. It's the fact they acting like it's not happening

That's exactly what I said but some people don't wanna read. The whole time Kupp was chasing Calvin, I didn't see anyone say "wait a second... let's talk about 16 vs. 17"

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

I bolded it. Also harping on 16 games only is dismissive of the previous season lengths.

I didn't dismiss it. You said it used to be 14-games like I didn't already say that in the first post of the thread. I know it used to be 14 games and 12 before that. That's not why I made the thread. All I did is point out that the thread has "zero" to do with when I was a kid because the 16-game season lasted 43 years. It lasted longer than I've been alive.

 

[Elim Garak]

Yes, but not to me.

 

[FTBS]

I didn't dismiss it. You said it used to be 14-games like I didn't already say that in the first post of the thread. I know it used to be 14 games and 12 before that. That's not why I made the thread. All I did is point out that the thread has "zero" to do with when I was a kid because the 16-game season lasted 43 years. It lasted longer than I've been alive.

Exactly. So to you its the standard...its what you are used to. So you are taking issue with a new standard, that you arent used to being introduced and the old standard being pushed out of the way while at the same time showing zero regard for the standards from 50 plus years before that. That indicates that the overall idea isnt the issue, its the 16 games that you know that is the issue. For all of those 43 years we heard about records with no discussion of the previous season lengths. Did you complain about this? Of course not because thats what you grew up on which for most makes it automatically the best. And that is fine. It doesnt make you a bad person or anything. We can just keep it a buck. No need to run from that or try to act like its something its not.

 

[murksiderock]

We really getting this worked up about records being broken in longer seasons?

Records are meant to be broken, and the NFL has been expanding its season periodically since it's inception. If your opinion is that only the 16-game records are valid, you can have that opinion, but it does undermine the work that guys put in before the expansion to 16 games. It's inevitable that records get broken with season expansion.

There will be a point in time in which there will be no one alive who remembers the last 16-game season in 2020---->just like there is hardly anyone alive today who remembers the last 11 game season of 1946. It just is what is, and the records are what they are (or will be).

 

[Bboystyle]

I dont care who has the sack record and how long the seasons were/are.

Reggie Whites 1987 of 21.5 sacks in 12 games will always be the goat season

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Exactly. So to you its the standard...its what you are used to. So you are taking issue with a new standard, that you arent used to being introduced and the old standard being pushed out of the way while at the same time showing zero regard for the standards from 50 plus years before that. That indicates that the overall idea isnt the issue, its the 16 games that you know that is the issue. For all of those 43 years we heard about records with no discussion of the previous season lengths. Did you complain about this? Of course not because thats what you grew up on which for most makes it automatically the best. And that is fine. It doesnt make you a bad person or anything. We can just keep it a buck. No need to run from that or try to act like its something its not.

This is nonsense. None of us were alive when it was a 14-game season (most of us anyway) so there wasn't a chance to discuss it when that change occurred. I do remember discussing the Dolphins undefeated season and how it would be more difficult to do that now seeing as you'd have to go 20-0 basically to do it. I wasn't shytting on the 14-game season from the Dolphins but it's worth pointing out...

And THAT is what you are missing. I don't care that they have made changes over the years. I know they have made changes. I said that in the OP. There's no reason for you to harp on it.

The reason for this thread is you cannot call a 17-game record THE record without noting that it's a 17-game season and that's what I've seen from people here, people elsewhere and the media. You cannot say it's a record and act like it's the same thing. It's not.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

This is nonsense. None of us were alive when it was a 14-game season (most of us anyway) so there wasn't a chance to discuss it when that change occurred. I do remember discussing the Dolphins undefeated season and how it would be more difficult to do that now seeing as you'd have to go 20-0 basically to do it. I wasn't shytting on the 14-game season from the Dolphins but it's worth pointing out...

And THAT is what you are missing. I don't care that they have made changes over the years. I know they have made changes. I said that in the OP. There's no reason for you to harp on it.

The reason for this thread is you cannot call a 17-game record THE record without noting that it's a 17-game season and that's what I've seen from people here, people elsewhere and the media. You cannot say it's a record and act like it's the same thing. It's not.

Facts... Anytime undefeated seasons get to 11 games, they bring up the Dolphins.. And every time they do, it's "When they did it, it was only 14 games tho"

They talk about rings and it's "during the super bowl era"

They talk about sacks and it's "such and such was better and they wasn't even recording sacks back then"


But let Garrett get one sack next week and I promise you, they gonna act like he didn't need an extra game to do it, by acting like 16 game seasons didn't exist

 

[murksiderock]

The reason for this thread is you cannot call a 17-game record THE record without noting that it's a 17-game season and that's what I've seen from people here, people elsewhere and the media. You cannot say it's a record and act like it's the same thing. It's not.

I don't really understand your issue with this. I understand being partial to the 16-game season, because I think in a game like football, anything more than 16 in a league where careers are short, most contracts aren't fully guaranteed, and health insurance ends 5 years after retirement, I think going over 16 is overkill.

So I'm also partial to 16 games, but it isn't about the records, that's why I don't get your issue with 17.

You also know it's gonna eventually get to 18.

So the records of old are exactly that---->the records that were set in 10, 11, 12, 14, 16 game seasons. They are the old records. The records set during 17 and eventually 18-game years, why would you need to mention every time, "well this wouldn't be the record in a 16-game season", when records broken in 16-game seasons, were not qualified with, "well you know if it was a 14-game season, it wouldn't be the record?"

I just don't understand your problem. But look, you already have your standard whichever way you wanna view it. OJ put up 2000 in a 14-game season, it can always be viewed as the most prolific season ever, if one chooses to view it that way. But the record is ED's in a 16-game season, even if that season isn't quite as impressive as OJ's in 14 games.

 

[FTBS]

This is nonsense. None of us were alive when it was a 14-game season (most of us anyway) so there wasn't a chance to discuss it when that change occurred. I do remember discussing the Dolphins undefeated season and how it would be more difficult to do that now seeing as you'd have to go 20-0 basically to do it. I wasn't shytting on the 14-game season from the Dolphins but it's worth pointing out...

And THAT is what you are missing. I don't care that they have made changes over the years. I know they have made changes. I said that in the OP. There's no reason for you to harp on it.

The reason for this thread is you cannot call a 17-game record THE record without noting that it's a 17-game season and that's what I've seen from people here, people elsewhere and the media. You cannot say it's a record and act like it's the same thing. It's not.

Did they always note that for 16? Did you take issue when they didnt?

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Did they always note that for 16? Did you take issue when they didnt?

Actually, I was one of the people who would always bring up O.J. Simpson so yes. Did I mention it for all records, no, not really... because I wasn't alive when it was a 14-game season but I always felt O.J. deserved his due. I was also someone who routinely mentioned that Jerry Rice scored 23 TDs in 12 games when everyone was trying to say Moss had a better season than him but I can see why people would think I was biased, being a Niner fan but that wasn't the point.

My point has always been that context matters. When QBs started throwing over 5,000 yards routinely I always brought up Marino doing it when the league was tougher on QBs and receivers.

You think I'm inconsistent but I can easily find my posts on these topics.

 

[FTBS]

Actually, I was one of the people who would always bring up O.J. Simpson so yes. Did I mention it for all records, no, not really... because I wasn't alive when it was a 14-game season but I always felt O.J. deserved his due. I was also someone who routinely mentioned that Jerry Rice scored 23 TDs in 12 games when everyone was trying to say Moss had a better season than him but I can see why people would think I was biased, being a Niner fan but that wasn't the point.

My point has always been that context matters. When QBs started throwing over 5,000 yards routinely I always brought up Marino doing it when the league was tougher on QBs and receivers.

You think I'm inconsistent but I can easily find my posts on these topics.

This is my point breh. All that I been saying. I am with you on context mattering. But it either always does or never does. No beef or attack breh. I appreciate the dialogue.

 

[VegetasHairline]

 

[murksiderock]

Manning the greatest regular season QB ever and can be argued as anywhere from the #2 to #4 All-Time QB.

His ceiling and peak were damn near unattainable.

Further reason the '12-16 LOB the GOAT defense, because of what they did to this man and that offense.

2020s defenses adjusted and caught up to the explosion of offense in the 2010s, which is what explains why we've seen those numbers drop. We had 10 5k passing seasons in the 2010s, and only 3 in the 2020s, and we are now 60% thru the decade.

Defenses catching up and offenses returning to the run game are why passing numbers dropped and are defining characteristics of 2020s football.

 

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For the people criticizing Myles Garrett's sack record in 17 games, I saw a post earlier that he got the record in significantly fewer snaps than Watt or Strahan.