Agreed. The 2016 election needs to be critiqued from multiple angles. Trends in American politics for the past 30 years are larger than the 2016 election, though, and I still think my first point applies to 2016. The Democrat's message isn't overly sophisticated, but it was more sophisticated than "lock her up" and "build a wall".If you lose to Trump yes, you are to blame. A political novice who isn't that bright and with the Supreme Court in the balance is just inexcusable.
But I posted in the Microsoft acquisition thread, Sam Seder vs Jimmy Dore thread, Canada legalizing Marijuana thread, Cynthia Nixon thread all on the first page of HL without mentioning Hillary. Feel free to read, reply, dap or neg.
Are republicans really this stupid???
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I don't think blaming your fellow voters is correct. It is up to the politicians to convince and garner their votes. So when I see posters doing that I'm going to retort and place the blame where I think it lies.
I wonder what is suspect about that?
I agree that Dems are running campaigns like they don't want to win, and the most tenured members of the Dems are painfully out of touch.
Dems also don't fully understand Black issues, though they claim to. This is a major issue for me.
However...thought the Dems have problems, they're not THE problem. It's almost as if you are more upset that Dems lost, rather than the GOP winning and harming our society.
It is a problem if GOP leaders are embracing conspiracy theories, encouraging fake news, and supporting positions that harm the poor and make the rich even richer.
You're conspicuously quiet about that. :bppatrice:
Yeah, Dems lost when they should have won, but you don't think it's more important to speak on how the GOP is harming society? :bppatrice:
AnonymityX1000
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It was basically 'we're not as bad as Trump' and 'go read my website'. As unsophisticated as Rs might be at least it was policy based. The Dems need to be full throated about something/anything.
I mean, I've never heard someone be more angry at the Weimar Republic for crumbling to the Nazis. That's absurd.
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AnonymityX1000
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We are in the coli right? I assumed most people are Dems or left leaning. Is that a bad assumption? Complaining about Rs in here is just preaching to the choir. It's not productive. Shouldn't we talk about, 'Well, what are we going to do about it?' That's productive IMO.
And what you said about Rs can actually be said about our side to. Let's fix that.
Poetical Poltergeist
Precise and cold hearted
Not so much dumb as they are evil.
I'd say no, but it's not easy to slap the same political labels on Blacks. Most voting Blacks vote Democrat, but blacks tend to be just as conservative as our white counterparts.
I think there's a lot of discussion here about what should be done, but I never see you in those convos. :bppatrice:
Regardless, there's a difference between "complaining" about conservatives/Rethugs, and actually pointing out the unprecedented corruption taking place on their watch.
It's a bad strategy to simply ignore them. Like I said, even though the Weimar Republic fell to the Nazis, I don't think the Weimars committed the greater sin. :bpohh:
AnonymityX1000
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You never heard people complain about appeasement? Wow.
Jhoon
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There’s a story that he wouldn’t make it to summer. June 21st is a few days away.I remember a time people said he wouldn't last a year. But here we are.
Yeah I think we need to distinguish whether we're talking about voters or politicians.
Republican politicians aren't dumb at all, they're just unethical and don't mind if their actions are bad for society at large as long as it gets them elected.
Republican voters vary. Many are dumb, others aren't dumb but are just so racist and/or religious that it overrides rational self-interest, and most are somewhere in between.
AnonymityX1000
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If most Blacks vote Dem why would I complain to this audience about Rs? That's not true. I have offered my strategy, we should let Progressives take the lead. Establishment Dems need to step aside and let the no PAC money, free public college, single payer, no trade deals lefties take over the leadership of the party. I even say despite the cheating running Hillary seemed correct but now that she's lost we need a vastly new strategy. Staying the course is very wrong.
Like I said pointing out their corruption equally points to ours. Fighting over who is worse is unproductive IMO, we disagree on the path forward. Lucky for you our side seems more in line with your thinking. Let's continue to discuss it and see how just pointing out how bad Rs are works.
Because political apathy exists, even among voting Blacks.
Not everyone is aware of political actions being taken against them.
I've never advocated for staying the course, and I don't think anyone else here is, either.
I think it's pretty clear conservatives are objectively worse. As I said before, there's a difference between having problems and being the problem.
As bad as Dems can be, they aren't trying to restrict voting rights for Blacks and eliminate social programs by using racist arguments. Those are pretty big offences, IMO.
You're mistaking my disagreement with you for a political strategy.
storyteller
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Only gonna get worse with them flooding the judiciary, allowing conservatives to monopolize local news stations and hiding policy plays like the HUD mess, Dodd Frank and ACA attacks, lying about casualties in Puerto Rico and detention of illegal immigrants behind culture war frames that set up white vs PoC dynamics...
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More often than not I tend to take that L.
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