Are we ready to admit that most rappers can't "freestyle"?

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Maybe I'm just not around enough younger dudes, but I didn't even think people still spit in cyphers, let alone freestyle.

Shyt really ain't that complicated if you started rhyming when freestyling was a prerequisite to getting any respect around your peers who rapped. Some of us took it more seriously but it's just like any other skill. Practice often enough and you get better at it.

FACTS!

All we did was freestyle in cyphers, back in the day. We would rap about sh*t that was happening in real time, or if a car went by, we would rap about it, or mention a shirt someone had on. Back then, that was just another way for us to show skill. It was also fun as a MF! But cyphers don’t even seem to exist anymore. Which is crazy for me to even think about.
 

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. . sounds like Supernatural . .. that was his main gimmick in the 90s . . .
OH shyt. now I remember, he WAS the headline, the other 2 might have been in his crew or his homies. but they all did it. :wow:

Damn this was 25 years ago, how times have changed :wow:
 

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FACTS!

All we did was freestyle in cyphers, back in the day. We would rap about sh*t that was happening in real time, or if a car went by, we would rap about it, or mention a shirt someone had on. Back then, that was just another way for us to show skill. It was also fun as a MF! But cyphers don’t even seem to exist anymore. Which is crazy for me to even think about.

I'm not around young dudes like that, but this (bolded) is sad as a "hiphop baby". It's probably how people who loved break dancing felt when younger generations (like mine) didn't care about it.

Like you said we used to rap and battle all the time! on some " you straight, but you don't want it with my homie" type stuff. You wanted to be the best on your block, your neighborhood, then your school and you'd battle other dudes in the city. People would rap everywhere (lunch rooms, smoke sessions, in bleachers at games, etc.) its just what we did. It was dope to learn that something that came naturally to you was impressive to others as a kid.

I remember in elementary I used to love Keith Murray. So my go to "freestyle starter" was "My rhymes are the most beautifulist thing in the world" then go from there with whatever came up "Smooth with it, keep up or lose ya girl" or whatever lol. Fast rapping (even if you weren't saying shyt) was an automatic easy win at Jr High school dances. B side instrumentals taught me how to count bars...till this day I cant explain how to count bars, but put on a beat and I'll rap exactly 16 leading to the hook easily because I rapped over things like the Hypnotize Biggie single my mom bought me (which had various versions of the song including the beat only").

I used to cheat at times and use obscure rhymes that I new my circle weren't listening to. :lolbron: In college, Cam had a song (I think it was on a clue tape) where he went "Back in the days, we was slaves, whips and chains, so u see its in my blood, whips and chains". Being in the south, I knew my circle of friends wasn't listening to the b side of clue tapes (not like that), so every know and then I used like a Mysone rhyme or something lol as a rhyme starter "Its Mysone, lefty gun in my right palm." Then go from there flowing with what hit me ("Live nikkas better relax or they gone die calm").

Kinda off topic...but this is why I love the new Nas/Premier album. If you hiphop baby some part of you gotta love it.
 

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I'm not around young dudes like that, but this (bolded) is sad as a "hiphop baby". It's probably how people who loved break dancing felt when younger generations (like mine) didn't care about it.

Like you said we used to rap and battle all the time! on some " you straight, but you don't want it with my homie" type stuff. You wanted to be the best on your block, your neighborhood, then your school and you'd battle other dudes in the city. People would rap everywhere (lunch rooms, smoke sessions, in bleachers at games, etc.) its just what we did. It was dope to learn that something that came naturally to you was impressive to others as a kid.

I remember in elementary I used to love Keith Murray. So my go to "freestyle starter" was "My rhymes are the most beautifulist thing in the world" then go from there with whatever came up "Smooth with it, keep up or lose ya girl" or whatever lol. Fast rapping (even if you weren't saying shyt) was an automatic easy win at Jr High school dances. B side instrumentals taught me how to count bars...till this day I cant explain how to count bars, but put on a beat and I'll rap exactly 16 leading to the hook easily because I rapped over things like the Hypnotize Biggie single my mom bought me (which had various versions of the song including the beat only").

I used to cheat at times and use obscure rhymes that I new my circle weren't listening to. :lolbron: In college, Cam had a song (I think it was on a clue tape) where he went "Back in the days, we was slaves, whips and chains, so u see its in my blood, whips and chains". Being in the south, I knew my circle of friends wasn't listening to the b side of clue tapes (not like that), so every know and then I used like a Mysone rhyme or something lol as a rhyme starter "Its Mysone, lefty gun in my right palm." Then go from there flowing with what hit me ("Live nikkas better relax or they gone die calm").

Kinda off topic...but this is why I love the new Nas/Premier album. If you hiphop baby some part of you gotta love it.
FACTS!

All we did was freestyle in cyphers, back in the day. We would rap about sh*t that was happening in real time, or if a car went by, we would rap about it, or mention a shirt someone had on. Back then, that was just another way for us to show skill. It was also fun as a MF! But cyphers don’t even seem to exist anymore. Which is crazy for me to even think about.
If you're in NY, there's Legendary Cyphers
 

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This takes me back to beatboxing after the smoke sessions freestyling after building on today's math man just catching the flow in pocket with the beat coming in after the next person and finish they line for line I was nice then and still am but I was never impressed too much by that off the head sh1t it was cool to freestyle and have cyphers but like the off the head sh1t just rhyming words people throwing out was always lame and that why I ain't impressed by that I don't write nothing BS because MFS need to right to have concise thoughts and have a format just rhyming words and roast raps was always mid ASF to me like nowadays I would be mind blowing by a cipher with young dudes really trying to drop rhymes
 

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Thing I miss the most about the freestyle battles was the fights. It was one nikka that would get his feelings hurt EVERY time. Dude squared up every single time he rapped and they kept letting him join for like 2 years
 

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When that bozo Drake pulled out his phone when Flex asked him to freestyle :scust:

And nobody said shyt. Knew he was an industry plant not from the culture then
Tbf there's footage of Ghostface Killah on Stretch and Bobbito in 93 reading a "freestyle" off paper lol
 

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:mjlol:After I heard Jay's Grammy Family Freestyle.......that shyt was so elite, from that point on it irked me when I saw "freestyle" attached to "freestyles"




Of the notable cats, I think Charles Hamilton was the best at it.

"I can hit you with a free-verse, a written verse, or a pre-written verse........either way you still couldn't each of them verses. I leave hearses.....dead, try to figure out where I come with this off the......"








Him getting punched is what is remembered, but this nikka's actual bars was COLD.......... "I won before I even opened my mouth, so you should already know what that poem's about" :heh:







A off the top freestyle...........before doing an on the spot writing, pen for pen battle with Buddens :wow:












Then you got the battle cats like Clips & DNA

 

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I know I'm breaking kayfabe but we're all adults here, lol

An off the dome freestyle is literally impossible for the majority of people. And when rappers actually go off the dome, it's gonna sound like some dr. Seuss, mother Goose shyt :pachaha:

You either rap an old written verse to a new beat, recite lyrics you already came up with in your head, or just ad lib simple shyt that works for the beat

Ain't nobody coming up with their best double entendres and flips spur of the moment. It's some level of premeditation going on, but yall be buying into the myth these rappers invented. Problem only is that most rappers can't pre-write something on the level of past greats. But even the usuall suspects of best rappers like nas, kendrick, pac, and big aren't as known for their freestyles like a Jadakiss, fabolous, or lupe

So it's not like it even stops you from being in the goat conversation. Yet if a rapper can't "freestyle" it's seen as a sign of the genre's decline as a whole :skip:

@Westbama Heartthrob here you go.

This is a perfect off the top freestyle by Kool Keith. Spontaneous, entertaining, original, funny, smart and completely credible from a New York City Rap God!

 
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