Are you happy with the explanation of Tupac and Biggie's murders?

[Stir Fry]

what his motive (meaning... what reason russell poole would make this shyt up when it puts his credibility & career on the line)

He probably honestly believes his scenario, just like all the other countless conspiracy nuts in the world.

 

[wingstop]

his explanation is the actual truth so people have to accept it

 

[Farrinto]

his explanation is the actual truth so people have to accept it

Yeah, his story makes the most sense. I think both murders were simpler than a lot of people try to make it seem like. I don't know about the whole bounty thing though. It seems to be this simple - Chain snatching incident happens, Pac gets informed about it in the MGM Grand, Pac rushed Orlando, Orlando retaliates, and Suge wants revenge and pays Poochie to clap Biggie.

 

[wingstop]

Yeah, his story makes the most sense. I think both murders were simpler than a lot of people try to make it seem like. I don't know about the whole bounty thing though. It seems to be this simple - Chain snatching incident happens, Pac gets informed about it in the MGM Grand, Pac rushed Orlando, Orlando retaliates, and Suge wants revenge and pays Poochie to clap Biggie.

yea i think they obviously exaggerated some parts, like i dont believe puffy was 100% serious about killing them. He was probably drunk as fukk and said it out of fear. Either way its a fact that puffy had nothing to do with the murder the night it went down, but the crips thought they could get paid off it.

 

[kingofnyc]

Ok I get what you are saying. To be honest, I kinda forgot some of the evidence kading brought up in order to debunk poole (on both the makaveli board and the doc) but I think poole first looked into some road rage murder between two cops, one of them whom was dating someone associated to suge. Dont remember but poole saw this and used this as the bases to connect Suge and the off-duty cops doing security for Death Row, to the RAMPART scandal.

It is this simple;

Pac and Biggies beef was minor, Pac joins death row and his beef with Biggie gets conflated with Suges beef with Fluffy, Suge starts fukking up nikkas close to Fluffy, Fluffy associates himself with the SSCC through ZIP, a street beef (suge and fluffy) and a rap beef (Pac and Big) turns into a Blood vs Crip war, Pac records Hit Em UP and Fluffy then adds Pac into his hit-list which includes Suge, Orlando and Keffe were supposed to murk Pac and Suge in LA but there plan gets escalated when Pac jumps Lando for jacking Trayvon Lanes death row chain (why he whispered it to Pac first and not the goons with him is beyond me), Lando kills Pac later that nightt

Now this is a simplified version of the events that is missing some things.

Suge was then fed with wrong information (for example, the LA writer Philips saying Biggie was in LA and shyt and supplied the gun to Lando and them, when this is not even true it was ZIP that did that, funny enough Foxy Brown was there to) so Suge decided to murk Biggie in retaliation. I know it is fukked up that Biggie essentially died because of mis-information, but Suge probably didnt give two shyts anyway since he wanted to get at Fluffy.

No government involvement, no political assassination, just some good ol black on black violence.

we can get into details later...

but i need to know from u & the others that co sign this bullshyt doc



1. why would poole lie about crooked cops working for suge knight & death row records

2. i know exactly why kading is lying -he in bed with LAPD & was brought on to disprove poole investigation... for the sole reason of ms wallace vs The city of Los Angeles (biggie estate at that time was estimated around a half billion dollars)

 

[kingofnyc]

what funny about a black man getting murder with crooked cops behind the hit

 

[wingstop]

what funny about a black man getting murder with crooked cops behind the hit

russle poole's theory isnt what happened. Yes there were crooked cops at deathrow, and yes some might have been involved in the murder of biggie but his theory on the murder of pac is just wrong.

 

[richaveli83]

I watched the documentary over a month ago when it was posted on the coli. I saved it so I could watch it at my convience. I just finished reading Kading's book and it basically confirms what I knew all along. 2Pac was killed because of jumping Orlando Anderson. Biggie died due to retatilation. No government conspiracy just some straight up street BS. The LAPD and LVMPD don't give a damn about solving the deaths of two black men. It's sad that two gifted black men(Pac & Biggie) lost their lives over BS. Suge will probably spend the rest of his life in prison not for his role in Biggie's death but for the death of someone else. Puffy came out the winner. Wealthy, a pop star, dated/smashed beautiful women(J-Lo,Cassie), a staple on MTV & BET, etc.

 

[kingofnyc]

Yeah, his story makes the most sense. I think both murders were simpler than a lot of people try to make it seem like. I don't know about the whole bounty thing though. It seems to be this simple - Chain snatching incident happens, Pac gets informed about it in the MGM Grand, Pac rushed Orlando, Orlando retaliates, and Suge wants revenge and pays Poochie to clap Biggie.

NO
it dosnt make sense - one would have to be delusional to believe puff offered a million dollars for pac when dem nikkaz was already gonna kill him

and as i already stated kading was brought on to link biggie murder with some gang banging shyt that was unrelated to the actual killers which were crooked cops

 

[Farrinto]

NO
it dosnt make sense - one would have to be delusional to believe puff offered a million dollars for pac when dem nikkaz was already gonna kill him

and as i already stated kading was brought on to link biggie murder with some gang banging shyt that was unrelated to the actual killers which were crooked cops

Kading interviewed Suge's ex/baby mom and she admitted to Suge conspiring to kill Biggie along with her meeting with Poochie to discuss it. Poochie was Suge's shooter. I can't say for certain if Kading's version of events is correct, but it makes the most sense to me.

 

[wingstop]

NO
it dosnt make sense - one would have to be delusional to believe puff offered a million dollars for pac when dem nikkaz was already gonna kill him

and as i already stated kading was brought on to link biggie murder with some gang banging shyt that was unrelated to the actual killers which were crooked cops

Puffy's involvement was exaggerated and they acknowledge that puffy had nothing to do with pac's murder the night he got shot, cause pac's death was simply retaliation for orlando's beating and the crips thought they could get paid off it. puffy most likely was drunk as fukk when he said he wanted them gone and was saying it out of fear.

 

[kingofnyc]

russle poole's theory isnt what happened. Yes there were crooked cops at deathrow, and yes some might have been involved in the murder of biggie but his theory on the murder of pac is just wrong.

what theory did he have on pac?


he may had an opinion but not a theory when he never investigated pac murder

 

[wingstop]

what theory did he have on pac?


he may had an opinion but not a theory when he never investigated pac murder

at first he thought suge killed pac, then he believed that reggie wright,the head of deathrow security, and suge knights ex planned to kill pac and suge.

 

[Ayo]

I read LAbrynth by Pool when it first came out and I always found trouble in his theory. It required us to connect way too man dots. It was a conspiracy in the truest sense. So if you're the type to believe in lizard men and the illuminati. Chances are Russell Pools version of events will sit better with you.

The reality is though that Pac got murdered for beating on a crip a few times over. Pac literally had it coming. Biggie got caught up in the bullshyt after.

Puffy's supposed bounty is inconsequential and it's stupid that nikkas are using it to try and discount this theory.

 

[Farrinto]

I read LAbrynth by Pool when it first came out and I always found trouble in his theory. It required us to connect way too man dots. It was a conspiracy in the truest sense. So if you're the type to believe in lizard men and the illuminati. Chances are Russell Pools version of events will sit better with you.

The reality is though that Pac got murdered for beating on a crip who didn't give a fukk who he was. Biggie got caught up in the bullshyt after.

Puffy's supposed bounty is inconsequential and it's stupid that nikkas are using it to try and discount this theory.

Some people believe that Biggie got killed because of the unpaid debt.