Article: Larry Bird Was Better Than LeBron
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SadimirPutin
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nostalgia makes people argue utter bullshyt
if larry bird played against zone defense AND today's talent he would be coming off the bench for half his career
bird better than lebron
kawhi leonard would eat larry bird fried
This is just disrespectful
Smh. U must b 15 y/o
Larry took heaps of losses throughout his career; he was also carried (since y'all like to use that term against LeBron) by his teammates on multiple occasions in the playoffs too. He was given second chances from his teammates, which LeBron hasn't had the luxury of either. He underperformed in two straight postseasons when he was 25/26, worse than LeBron ever did. And when he was still in his prime in the '88 playoffs in the ECF against the Pistons (as the #1 seed nonetheless) - he completely shat the bed. Dude bytched up against Dantley (who was only an adequate defender at best) and Rodman when they were pushing him around, denying him the ball and moving him out of his shooting spots. He shot 35% in the series and 23% in the closeout game - LeBron has NEVER EVER come close to performing as poorly as Bird did in that series. He was playing hot potato with the ball and he was hardly ever double-teamed. McHale was double-teamed and triple-teamed all throughout that series and he still managed to carry them on both ends of the court.
Dude went from scoring 30 ppg on 52% in the regular season to scoring 20 ppg on 35% in the ECF, in 1988.
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This is why I can tell you either i) never watched those Celtics squads ii) lying through your teeth about what happened.
Bird gave up on a few occasions in the playoffs, and he was nowhere near the best clutch defender (especially since Parish and McHale anchored those Celtics defenses) and difference maker in history either. He wasn't even the best difference maker on his own team for multiple postseason runs in the 80s - McHale carried his ass in '88, and Parish carried his ass in '82.
It's disgusting, especially since dudes are now trying to paint Bird in this picture-perfect light, as if he could do no wrong. He not only had more poor performances than LeBron in the playoffs, but he also had worse ones too.
SadimirPutin
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Not only that
We live in an era where we can go and look up statistical data and find full games from larry bird's era on video
there is no reason for them to spout the nonsense they do unless it fits their agenda
I mean its fully okay to not like a player without spitting complete nonsense
Greenhornet
A God Among Kings
Larry took heaps of losses throughout his career; he was also carried (since y'all like to use that term against LeBron) by his teammates on multiple occasions in the playoffs too. He was given second chances from his teammates, which LeBron hasn't had the luxury of either. He underperformed in two straight postseasons when he was 25/26, worse than LeBron ever did. And when he was still in his prime in the '88 playoffs in the ECF against the Pistons (as the #1 seed nonetheless) - he completely shat the bed. Dude bytched up against Dantley (who was only an adequate defender at best) and Rodman when they were pushing him around, denying him the ball and moving him out of his shooting spots. He shot 35% in the series and 23% in the closeout game - LeBron has NEVER EVER come close to performing as poorly as Bird did in that series. He was playing hot potato with the ball and he was hardly ever double-teamed. McHale was double-teamed and triple-teamed all throughout that series and he still managed to carry them on both ends of the court.
Dude went from scoring 30 ppg on 52% in the regular season to scoring 20 ppg on 35% in the ECF, in 1988.
if you are basing anything on performance then i dunno what to say ... lebron plays ultra safe basketball and realistically ray allen bailed him out ... and russell westbrook threw a game away, and he fouled durant on a last second shot in the finals ... Lebron is just a layup machine that passes the ball ... he is in an extremely fortunate situation because he plays team ball, because he is going to go down as the best statistically and also the biggest loser. If it wasnt for team play he would be the poster child of empty stats and how they dont win you championships.
Bird did get shut down alot, but he is a different breed and a winner, I dunno what else to say. Thats all what matters in sports ... money and stats dont equal greatness or Robert Horry and Gilbert Arenas would be kings and shyt ... Ill go as far as saying Lebron would be great, if he actually had to face a real adversity... He is just ridiculed and hides ... but if something actually happened in his life beyond his control that destroyed his image, he would start playing like the man he should be. He plays ultra passive and quits to keep his image in tact and truthfully he probably doesnt really care. His stand out game was against Detroit a million years ago
Greenhornet
A God Among Kings
I still dont see why people bring up stats ... when the name of the game is winning
you could shoot 1/20 as long as that shot that goes in is the game winner
Champagne >>>> "but but but look at my stats"
look at wilt, we talk about his records because they are untouchable
but when we talk about wilt, we really talk about Bill Russell beating the shyt out of him
winning matters the most man, how do cats watch something thats based on winning and ignore the whole point of it?
you could shoot 1/20 as long as that shot that goes in is the game winner
Champagne >>>> "but but but look at my stats"
look at wilt, we talk about his records because they are untouchable
but when we talk about wilt, we really talk about Bill Russell beating the shyt out of him
winning matters the most man, how do cats watch something thats based on winning and ignore the whole point of it?
Please don't tell me you're being serious with this? Are you seriously going to list times where LeBron was helped either by a teammate or his opposition, on the course to winning a title, as if EVERY single player in the history of the game hasn't had similar instances where players have helped them?
What in the hell does all this even mean?
This is just back in my day rhetoric used to try and explain shyt when the #s and tape say otherwise. Bird is not a different breed. Taking into account the impact they both have on the game and their complementary squads over their careers - LeBron did more with less.
This doesn't even make sense if you're using it in argument against LeBron. Like it makes ZERO sense.
His lack of help in Cleveland was his real adversity. Let's not pretend like he hasn't had the least help out of all the all-time greats. If LeBron had teammates on the same level as Parish, McHale, D.J. and Ainge in his first stint in Cleveland, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
If we're talking about career-defining games since then:
Game 6 of the ECF in 2012
Game 7 of the Finals in 2013
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This is the most senseless thing I've read in this thread, and that's saying something. Nevermind the fact that your teammates would have to carry the scoring load for 99% of the game to put the team in a position for you to take the game-winning shot, but you've even stretched it to just making ONE shot.
What you're basically saying is, it doesn't matter what LeBron scores during the game (let's ignore the fact he doesn't have capable scorers of carrying the load), it just matters if he takes and makes the last shot to win the game?
Do you even realize how crazy that sounds?
Amongst other things - it was because he had better teammates, by far - not because he was better than Wilt.
How the fukk do you ignore all the shyt that makes up winning (like teammates), and focus on the last play/shot?
Greenhornet
A God Among Kings
Please don't tell me you're being serious with this? Are you seriously going to list times where LeBron was helped either by a teammate or his opposition, on the course to winning a title, as if EVERY single player in the history of the game hasn't had similar instances where players have helped them?
What in the hell does all this even mean?
dog why still quote me? if you are on his dikk then be on his dikk ... im not saying anything you post is nonsense, but when I post you turn into a "I dont understand" "what do you mean"
you keep moving the goalposts and shyt with "if lebron was in birds position" and "teammates" but in the same breath act like lebron didnt handpick his teams. I agree with most of what you say, and you are a good poster but how do you want me to respond to you if you are gonna let shyt float over your head?
the same thing you are saying about bird being trash and overrated apply to lebron too ... I dunno how you cant see it... you replace bird and lebron and the celtics are real dope and lebron would win... but none of that steal the ball and shyt on detroit shyt is happening ... lebron aint beating magic johnson led lakers either .. teammates or not man... lebron is having trouble with draymond green and igoudala ... Lebron wanted Shumpert and Jr Smith on his team, that really tells you all you need to know about him. Most stars wouldnt want to be anywhere near those clowns
but what it all comes back to is Lebron and Bird both aint shyt, you're just picking sides and dont see that they are both at fault for the same exact shyt ... only difference is bird has plays that define his career and lebron's argument is stats. Stats only go so far, doesnt kobe have the 3 point record in a game? But Kobe is fukking trash at shooting 3s so who really cares .. he will never be remembered as a top 20 3 point shooter stats or not
LeBron is better and its not even close.
And still averages 27 a game. Ain't that some shyt?
Some extremely shyt posting going on in this thread. Y'all do realize we got a lot of game footage on both players. No way any can say Bird is better than LeBron and think their accurate about it. This is total bullshyt.
