As an ex Muslim, I think I know what's wrong with Islam today

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It's all about salafi/wahabhism religious school education. I came from an ethiopian family who practiced Sufism, lots of ethiopian Muslims practice Sufism, it's a sect that is quite peacefully (when compared to Major Religious sects such as salafi Wahhabism) and its spirituality centric, there's a reason why despite being 40 million Muslims in Ethiopia, we don't have a problem of terrorism and extremism, actually Christians and Muslims got along fine for centuries in Ethiopia.
Now Not many Muslim parent teach their children islamic principles and most will put their children in madrasas or weekend islamic schools to learn about their faith. I went to an ethiopian Sufi madrasa, teachers tought Arabic but also taught islamic philosophy and the nuances of the Quran and hadeeths, lessons were centred on interpretation and context of quran revelation and philosophy. For example our teachers would recite a verse talking about "killing the infidels" and would explain the context of these verses being in wars and self defence against malevolent judeo christian tribes at the times of the prophet and how in peaceful times, Muslims are obligated to respect and foster healthy relations with other faiths, backed by verses in the Quran and hadeeths. Islamic Sufi education was mainly about becoming a spiritual and better person and being closer to god.tgere wasn't much focus on the malevolent and violent parts of the Quran.
I think when I was 13, my mother enrolled my siblings in salafi/Wahhabism based madrasah as they were cheaper(Saudi Arabia funds salafi/Wahhabism education around the world), and what I noticed in these lessons were a focus on non inclusiveness and hatred. Instead of an emphasis on spirituality, teachers and sheikhs would focus on literalism and politics, ignoring verses that didn't conform to their divisive ideology. Instead of having group discussions on islamic philosophy and itijihad(interpretation), we were "brainwashed" into believing in singular interpretation of islamic philosophy that was usually violent oriented, and dehumanised non believers. Some even justified terrorism. Students were encouraged to speak badly of the west and the kuffar. Classes were violent aswell, as these teachers would habitually abuse students who weren't conforming, (I was hit for having a "kuffar" haircut). They even taught us that other islamic sects such as Sufism is full of devil worshippers. I think it was during these lessons I found myself hating Islam, until I eventually became agnostic. Today, I don't find it surprising that most terrorism activities are committed by terrorists that are linked to salafi/wahabhism ideology, it's a sect of Islam that is abhorrent and inherently violent and divisive. Most islamic countries that practice Sufism, such as Turkey, Ethiopia, Kurdistan, and other places don't really have a problem of terrorism. Whilst countries such as Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia,Northern Nigeria, Yemen do have endemic extremism as a result of salafi Wahhabism ideology. Lots of notable extremists received free islamic education in Saudi Arabia salafi/wahabism universities, and they are training the next generation of extremist preachers and terrorists today.

Many Sufi mystics agree that salafi/wahabhism has hijacked the islamic faith since the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and Sufi communities are declining as Saudi Arabia brainwashes a new hen of preachers.
 
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This is a pretty good mini documentary on how Saudi Arabia is breeding the next gen of terrorists and extremist by oil money
 

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Sufi mysticism has long exercised a fascination upon the Western world, and especially its orientalist scholars.[147] Figures like Rumi have become well known in the United States, where Sufism is perceived as a peaceful and apolitical form of Islam.[147]

The Islamic Institute in Mannheim, Germany, which works towards the integration of Europe and Muslims, sees Sufism as particularly suited for interreligious dialogue and intercultural harmonisation in democratic and pluralist societies; it has described Sufism as a symbol of tolerance andhumanism—nondogmatic, flexible and non-violent.[148] According to Philip Jenkins, a Professor at Baylor University, "the Sufis are much more than tactical allies for the West: they are, potentially, the greatest hope for pluralism and democracy within Muslim nations." Likewise, several governments and organisations have advocated the promotion of Sufism as a means of combating intolerant and violent strains of Islam.[149] For example, the Chinese and Russian[150] governments openly favor Sufism as the best means of protecting against Islamist subversion. The British government, especially following the 7 July 2005 London bombings, has favoured Sufi groups in its battle against Muslim extremist currents. The influential RAND Corporation, an American think-tank, issued a major report titled "Building Moderate Muslim Networks," which urged the US government to form links with and bolster[151] Muslim groups that opposed Islamist extremism. The report stressed the Sufi role as moderate traditionalists open to change, and thus as allies against violence.[152][153] News organisations such as the BBC, Economist and Boston Globe have also seen Sufism, as a means to deal with violent Muslim extremists.
 

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IMost islamic countries that practice Sufism, such as Turkey, Ethiopia, Kurdistan, and other places don't really have a problem of terrorism. Whilst countries such as Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia,Northern Nigeria, Yemen do have endemic extremism as a result of salafi Wahhabism ideology. Lots of notable extremists received free islamic education in Saudi Arabia salafi/wahabism universities, and they are training the next generation of extremist preachers and terrorists today.

Many Sufi mystics agree that salafi/wahabhism has hijacked the islamic faith since the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and Sufi communities are declining as Saudi Arabia brainwashes a new hen of preachers.

I agree with the Saudi funded spread of Salafism. But Somalia is majority sufi breh. Salafism is a new phenomenon there (like much of the rest of the world). Pakistan is also traditionally Sufi and even has a significant Shia population.
 

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school instills discipline... not a fashion show. don't hold a grudge cause your kuffi got smacked...

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This is the main problem, and the virus that has spread from our brothers in the Najd to the whole Muslim world has confused everyone and prevented discussion of the most important issues by making everyone focus on mere dogma and the appearance of piety.

Arabs have the trauma of colonialism and its long lasting debilitating effects. The Turks survived that thanks to Attaturk.
Because of colonialism the Arabs have been fookedwith by lots of different western ideologies and been bullied.

They have reverted to Islam as a way to cope, but they reverted increasingly to a narrow, dry interpretation that has come from our brothers in the Nejd.

The Turks have had secularism forced down their throats and at gunpoint, but they survived, and they remained Muslim. The accidental positive side effect was that Turkey was shielded form "Salafism/Wahhabism".

The result of this is that the Turkish peoples interpretation of Islam has not changed and was the same as everyone else's before the 1970's.

Before the 70's everyone was like the Turks. After the 70's especially in a place like Somalia we have seen a huge change.
The appearance of piety and small issues like women's clothes has taken the forefront over important issues like actually governing, getting people literate and knowledgeable.

This here is the main issue facing the Muslim world, the literalists have no respect for the works of the people before who are far more superior in knowledge. They dismiss them as "deviants, Sufis, mushriks, etc"
They do not believe in Tafsir of Ayat or hadith, they are against ta'wil, they are against Fiqh in essence.
They want to depend on ayats and hadith and their literal interpretation, a childish look and expect to build a new religion based on this?

Me and many other Muslims dont buy this.

These people will be destroyed easily by secularism that is their intellectual superior.

Thats why I tell some of these brothers do not be surprised that when you bring your children up in these closed minded views that the they decide just like everyone else around them that religion is just silly nonsense. This is the challenge we face in the Muslim World. And to OP, I'm sorry you are an "ex-Muslim" due to this, but I pray to Allah that you reconsider and be guided back to the truth.. Ameen
 

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The West promotes and befriends the wahabi tho.

It's so that the majority can be painted as crazy and backwards.

So the only solution is for the majority of Muslims to just keep doing them. Especially the African muslims who still practice other spirituality practices.
 
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