As much as ya'll hate feminists...

[Zapp Brannigan]

Dude please do not make up your own quotes. What you just put in quotes did not come from my post so please don't play me like that. I will quote all my post for you.



I didn't say a damn thing about "us" and I didn't freaking call them radicals. My post clearly states that those argument are a part of the feminism movement, but not the SOLE part. You took what you wanted and you ran with it.

It was a summary of what is usually asserted by feminists or people that defend them in order to back away from the more unsavory members of their movement. You know, their leaders. The people that still get followed today because of their role in the early formation of the movement, further evidenced by the lack of genuine support for actual gender egalitarianism?

The analogy between feminism and racial/ethnic civil rights isn't really as strong as people like to make it seem, but I know that women's studies courses will try and tell a different story.

 

[SouthernBelle]

It was a summary of what is usually asserted by feminists or people that defend them in order to back away from the more unsavory members of their movement. You know, their leaders. The people that still get followed today because of their role in the early formation of the movement, further evidenced by the lack of genuine support for actual gender egalitarianism?

The analogy between feminism and racial/ethnic civil rights isn't really as strong as people like to make it seem, but I know that women's studies courses will try and tell a different story.

Are you seriously going to act like those are the only leaders in the women's movement or is that what you ACTUALLY think?

Again, you took what I wrote and ran with it because you wanted to discuss your feminism talking points. Scholars on SOCIAL MOVEMENTS would actually argue that the civil rights movement, women's right movements, gay rights movement, and etc have MANY similarities. Again, ALL MOVEMENTS have many different leaders who have different arguments/fight for different things, use different strategies/tactics to achieve them, and sometimes even disagree with one another.

All of the arguments presented by different leaders are pertinent to feminism and can not simply be reduced to feminism is ONLY about hating men OR feminism is only about equal pay. You clearly don't want to have a real conversation. You want to use your talking points and try to make everything fit what you know or are able to converse about.

 

[Kuro]

i always felt feminism..womens lib was the white woman protesting their treatment at the hands of white men...im not white so i really dont know but as an outsider i really dont see much change in the white man-white woman relationship...white women appear to occupy the same spot in white society as they always have...

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Are you seriously going to act like those are the only leaders in the women's movement or is that what you ACTUALLY think?

Again, you took what I wrote and ran with it because you wanted to discuss your feminism talking points. Scholars on SOCIAL MOVEMENTS would actually argue that the civil rights movement, women's right movements, gay rights movement, and etc have MANY similarities. Again, ALL MOVEMENTS have many different leaders who have different arguments/fight for different things, use different strategies/tactics to achieve them, and sometimes even disagree with one another.

All of the arguments presented by different leaders are pertinent to feminism and can not simply be reduced to feminism is ONLY about hating men OR feminism is only about equal pay. You clearly don't want to have a real conversation. You want to use your talking points and try to make everything fit what you know or are able to converse about.

Right, I'm the one with the talking points and you just happen to think that the many leaders of the feminist movement that push ideas like rape culture and patriarchy are just on the fringes, despite that this is what the vast majority of all feminists think. Yup, they haven't had that influence and it hasn't been an overall negative presence on gender politics in general because of its hateful views toward men. Yup, you caught me. All talking points, no substance, despite all that evidence to the contrary.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Feminism caused men not to trust women anymore, destroyed the family, and caused all men to be viewed as sexual predators.​

 

[Binary]

When males talk about feminists, they talk about the slutwalk/extremists which makes the rest of us look bad

 

[SouthernBelle]

Right, I'm the one with the talking points and you just happen to think that the many leaders of the feminist movement that push ideas like rape culture and patriarchy are just on the fringes, despite that this is what the vast majority of all feminists think. Yup, they haven't had that influence and it hasn't been an overall negative presence on gender politics in general because of its hateful views toward men. Yup, you caught me. All talking points, no substance, despite all that evidence to the contrary.

THIS is why I am convinced you have talking points. I clearly just said that the different facets are pertinent; HOWEVER, you just told me that I said they were fringe arguments. Stop making things up that I didn't say or imply.

You only have that one argument or view and you keep trying to push the exact opposite on me. You will NOT make me argue points that I never made.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Before everyone starts to think that I'm against women's rights, I want to clear up a few things. I grew up in a family of what could easily be described as strong women. My mother was the first person in her family, let alone the first woman, to go to a four year university out of high school. She got a full ride to UCLA and went on to get her postgraduate degrees there. She was very active in sports when it wasn't ladylike to do so and went on to become an artist and political activist.

My sister was the first female wrestler at our high school and turned out to be really good. She was always described as a "pistol" by the coaches and ruled the 103 lb weight class. She went on to UC Davis and ended up finishing close to the top of her class in law school. Very accomplished, very willing to do what it took to get to where she was in life.

As a result, I believe in women's rights that let them do whatever they want, within the obvious parameters of reason and preserving the safety of other people. This includes everything from education, making sure there's equal pay for equal work, and allowing opportunities for women to move up the corporate ladder. It's not just fair, it's also good policy.

However, feminists as of late are overstepping their boundaries so damn far it's unreal. They push laws that allow men to be completely fleeced unfairly in divorces, give little to no attention to men's health issues, and domestic violence laws that allow women to take full advantage of the white-knight justice system to screw over innocent men all the time. They do this by pushing the ideas of rape culture and patriarchy. Considering how much societal help women have, this is a really hard idea to cosign with for me.

When you see me posting about it, it's not about being anti-woman. shyt, do your thing. But to try and tell me that we live in a rape culture or patriarchy is such an obvious lie to me it's insulting.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Dude I know about all those. I actually just talked about them in class last week (I don't agree with them); however, I have read enough to know that they are NOT the sole voices in the feminist movement. Just like the black panther party was not the sole voice in the civil rights movement/era (neither was MLK or Malcolm X). One facet of a movement (feminist movement or any other movement) does not define the entire movement and you will NEVER convince me otherwise.

THIS is why I am convinced you have talking points. I clearly just said that the different facets are pertinent; HOWEVER, you just told me that I said they were fringe arguments. Stop making things up that I didn't say or imply.

You only have that one argument or view and you keep trying to push the exact opposite on me. You will NOT make me argue points that I never made.

Okay, you said that they were different facets in the same thread that the black panther party was a different facet of the civil rights movement. You didn't mean that they were fringe arguments because you didn't explicitly say it, so therefore any inference that would lead to that conclusion must be false.

 

[electric_fur]

Dude I know about all those. I actually just talked about them in class last week (I don't agree with them); however, I have read enough to know that they are NOT the sole voices in the feminist movement. Just like the black panther party was not the sole voice in the civil rights movement/era (neither was MLK or Malcolm X). One facet of a movement (feminist movement or any other movement) does not define the entire movement and you will NEVER convince me otherwise.

I don't think he's referring to the whole movement being about man bashing, it just means that it happened and both you and another member said it didn't.

 

[electric_fur]

When males talk about feminists, they talk about the slutwalk/extremists which makes the rest of us look bad

It's because a lot of them know very little about feminists and won't take the time to learn. I've had several, not just like one or two, claim they know a lot about feminism, but when I share information such as links with them they don't read the webpages to broaden their views. It's typical. Sigh.

 

[electric_fur]

wow i'm glad I was gone I don't feel like reading some of this BS, but safe to say that there are a lot of misconceptions about feminism going on right now. Not a surprise.

@electric_fur wish you were around when I made this thread

http://www.the-coli.com/locker-room/31445-black-feminism.html#.UQrB_bZVI1I

I'm white, but a lot of people don't seem to realize Womanism has differences to regular Feminism.

I believe is that white male patriarchy is harmful to everyone who isn't a white male. I believe white male patriarchy and racism go hand and hand, which is what I was trying to say in that black feminism thread I made awhile back. but ya'll were so stuck on the term "black feminism" and what you thought it meant that ya'll weren't trying to hear it

Yes I agree, they have the most power, even next to white women. You'll find white feminists complaining about white male patriarchy all the time on tumblr. I hate tumblr feminists, btw.

 

[SouthernBelle]

I don't think he's referring to the whole movement being about man bashing, it just means that it happened and both you and another member said it didn't.

Where did I say it didn't happen? Please quote me.

 

[SouthernBelle]

Okay, you said that they were different facets in the same thread that the black panther party was a different facet of the civil rights movement. You didn't mean that they were fringe arguments because you didn't explicitly say it, so therefore any inference that would lead to that conclusion must be false.

Trying to act like that is what I implied is false and continuing say that's what I meant when I told you it wasn't is you having your own agenda and trying to get me to argue for something I didn't say or mean. It's not going to happen sir.

 

[electric_fur]

Where did I say it didn't happen? Please quote me.

Precisely. That is why I said they are simple.

If that wasn't your intent, it may have been easy to be confused. That's what I got from it.