As Tech Booms, Workers Turn to Coding for Career Change

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As Tech Booms, Workers Turn to Coding for Career Change
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/29/t...&gwh=4912192B7998864F4CD6AB537567AD6B&gwt=pay

After Paul Minton graduated from college, he worked as a waiter, but always felt he should do more.

So Mr. Minton, a 26-year-old math major, took a three-month course in computer programming and data analysis. As a waiter, he made $20,000 a year. His starting salary last year as a data scientist at a web start-up here was more than $100,000.

“Six figures, right off the bat,” Mr. Minton said. “To me, it was astonishing.”

Stories like his are increasingly familiar these days as people across a spectrum of jobs — poker players, bookkeepers, baristas — are shedding their past for a future in the booming tech industry. The money sloshing around in technology is cascading beyond investors and entrepreneurs into the broader digital work force, especially to those who can write modern code, the language of the digital world.

Internet giants like Google and Facebook have long fought over the top software engineers in the country, and that continues. But now, companies in most every industry, either by necessity or to follow the pack, are pursuing some sort of digital game plan — creating lucrative opportunities for computing-minded newcomers who, like Mr. Minton, want to reboot their lives.

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A data science class at Galvanize, a San Francisco coding school, led by Asim Jalis, third from left. Credit Max Whittaker for The New York Times
“These are skilled and ambitious people who are seeking an on-ramp to the tech industry,” said Jim Deters, chief executive of Galvanize, the school that Mr. Minton attended.

Whether the on-ramp proves to be a lasting pathway to high pay and stimulating work remains to be seen. The boom-to-bust cycles in the tech business can be wrenching, like the last downturn in the early 2000s after the dot-com bubble burst. Nearly everyone in the industry was hit. Yet software development and engineering jobs held up better than ones in finance, marketing, sales and administration.

For now, at least, it is a seller’s market for those who can master new technology tools for lowering a business’s costs, reaching its customers and automating decision-making — notably, cloud computing, mobile apps and data analytics.

Companies cannot hire fast enough. Glassdoor, an employment site, lists more than 7,300 openings for software engineers, ahead of job openings for nurses, who are chronically in short supply. For the smaller category of data scientists, there are more than 1,200 job openings. Demand is highest in San Francisco. Nationally, the average base salary for software engineers is $100,000, and $112,000 for data scientists.

In March, the White House announced an initiative, TechHire, to coordinate the efforts of the federal government, cities, corporations and schools to train workers for the thousands of current job openings in the tech sector. The Obama administration points to coding schools like Galvanize, Flatiron and Hack Reactor, which offer accelerated training in digital skills as a way to “rapidly train workers for a well-paying job.”

The graduating classes of these coding schools support the trend. They will graduate about 16,000 students this year, more than double the 6,740 graduates last year, according to a survey published by Course Report in June. The 2015 total would be about one-third of the estimated number of computer science graduates from American universities. The largest concentration of the schools, often called boot camps, is in San Francisco, which has 12, followed by New York, with nine, and Seattle, eight.

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Students are of a wide age range, but most are in their 20s and 30s. The typical student is a “29-year-old career changer,” said Liz Eggleston, co-founder of Course Report, which tracks these schools.

Past shifts and surges in the information technology industry — the early Internet boom in the 1990s, the personal computer revolution in the 1970s and 1980s, and the minicomputer and mainframe eras before — have often opened doors to job seekers of diverse backgrounds.

Lois Haibt was a freshly minted graduate of Vassar College when she was hired by IBM to join the original team that created Fortran, a pioneering programming language. Recalling the hiring practices of the late 1950s and 1960s, she said, “They took anyone who seemed to have an aptitude for problem-solving skills — bridge players, chess players, even women.”

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“The good jobs were all in computer science,” said Savannah Worth, an English major in college. After a 24-week web programming class, she now works as a software developer. Credit Matt Edge for The New York Times
One sure way to fill job openings in technology these days would be to attract more women. Only 18 percent of computer science graduates at four-year universities were women in 2013, the most recent statistic. By contrast, 35 percent of students at the specialized coding schools are women.

Savannah Worth majored in English and graduated last year from Colorado College. Jobs that might use her skills, she says, seem limited to writing marketing materials or blog posts for websites. “The good jobs were all in computer science,” she recalled.

In college, she had dismissed computer programming as all math and numbers, and not a creative pursuit. But she dropped into an open house one evening at the Galvanize school in Denver. She found it filled with creative, smart people — and not at all just dry math.

Ms. Worth, 22, signed up for the Galvanize 24-week web programming class and excelled. Shortly after completing the course, she was hired by IBM as a software developer in San Francisco. She helps IBM’s corporate clients design and build web and mobile applications that run in remote cloud data centers, and she earns a six-figure salary.

Galvanize’s 24-week web programming course is one of the largest among the coding schools. The average class length among the schools is just under 11 weeks, and costs $11,000. Galvanize’s web programming course is also among the most expensive, at $21,000. The company offers scholarships and deferred payment plans, and has partnerships with online lenders like LendLayer and Earnest.

The job placement rate for Galvanize students is 98 percent. “Graduation here is you get a job,” Mr. Deters said.

Employers are recruiting for immediate needs, but with the future in mind. “What we hire for is the ability to learn,” said Rachel Reinitz, an IBM distinguished engineer, who is Ms. Worth’s boss. “The technology changes so fast.”

Galvanize is selective, accepting about 20 percent of applicants. The vast majority are college graduates, but there are exceptions, like Reyna DeLoge. She grew up in northwestern Montana in a working-class family and logged long hours in part-time jobs throughout high school. She went to Montana State University, but dropped out after a year, uninspired and in debt.

Ms. DeLoge, 24, worked for years mostly as a barista and assistant manager. She moved to Denver, and a year ago, got a job at the coffee shop in the Galvanize building there. She found the environs, bustling with aspiring coders and fledgling start-ups, appealing. She applied to the web-programming course and was accepted.

To help pay for the course, Ms. DeLoge got a $5,000 scholarship and a no-interest loan from Galvanize. She graduated last month, immediately received a few job offers and decided to take one from Galvanize, as a teaching assistant and mentor to new students. In the past, Ms. DeLoge never made as much as $30,000 a year. Her salary now is nearly $80,000.

In a stroke, she is making more than her father, an experienced machine-tool operator and instructor. “That blows me away,” said Ms. DeLoge, who sees her new skills as a gateway to opportunity. “Who knows where I’ll be in a year.”
 

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It doesn't tell you that a large portion of these "coding" jobs are temp with no chance to be permanent...

A quick glance internally at my job shows we currently have 476 job openings in the US for some sort of software application writing...

Looking at the first 120 results not one of them shyts last past 8 months...
 

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I find it hard to believe that someone pops into some 'coding school' for 3 months and comes out a sufficient programmer to get 100k jobs on the regular. There may be a few lucky cases here and there, but I doubt this is the norm. More like they are floating these stories to create an influx of 'coders' to lower the wage on programmers, but they'll soon find that if you aren't bringing in quality programmers. you are going to pay for it in the long-run.

There are tons of people who come out of computer science programs, that there would be no need to grab people from 3 month code schools and pay them exorbitant amounts of money. 3 months simply isn't enough time to learn everything you need to know, which, if for web development, includes HTML, CSS, Javascript and it's various frameworks.

Can people make a lot of money in the field? Absolutely... but these articles are trying to create a new 'gold rush' as if you can just study for a few months and come out making tons of cash.
 

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As someone who looks at payroll data at many different companies.

100k is basically entry level salary for programmers and comp engineers. After 5 years it's about 130k-150k. This is purely Bay Area.

But 90k is median income out here, so 100k ain't that much. you can't live by yourself on a 100k.
 

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I find it hard to believe that someone pops into some 'coding school' for 3 months and comes out a sufficient programmer to get 100k jobs on the regular. There may be a few lucky cases here and there, but I doubt this is the norm. More like they are floating these stories to create an influx of 'coders' to lower the wage on programmers, but they'll soon find that if you aren't bringing in quality programmers. you are going to pay for it in the long-run.

There are tons of people who come out of computer science programs, that there would be no need to grab people from 3 month code schools and pay them exorbitant amounts of money. 3 months simply isn't enough time to learn everything you need to know, which, if for web development, includes HTML, CSS, Javascript and it's various

frameworks.

Can people make a lot of money in the field? Absolutely... but these articles are trying to create a new 'gold rush' as if you can just study for a few months and come out making tons of cash.


I know person who hires folks off the street with no training If they have the skill set. I know 2 programmers who didn't even go to college, and they are both programmers for a living. Both persons programmed apps or games on their own time for fun. Both got jobs off the strength of their creations.

Some people need school to learn, and being a mediocre programmer is still lucrative. A 3-month coding class could be useful for the average joe trying to make it in life
 

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I find it hard to believe that someone pops into some 'coding school' for 3 months and comes out a sufficient programmer to get 100k jobs on the regular. There may be a few lucky cases here and there, but I doubt this is the norm. More like they are floating these stories to create an influx of 'coders' to lower the wage on programmers, but they'll soon find that if you aren't bringing in quality programmers. you are going to pay for it in the long-run.

There are tons of people who come out of computer science programs, that there would be no need to grab people from 3 month code schools and pay them exorbitant amounts of money. 3 months simply isn't enough time to learn everything you need to know, which, if for web development, includes HTML, CSS, Javascript and it's various frameworks.

Can people make a lot of money in the field? Absolutely... but these articles are trying to create a new 'gold rush' as if you can just study for a few months and come out making tons of cash.
I've read about these coding school before. Competition is very fierce, if i remember correctly they even kick people out of the program if they aren't good enough.Pretty sure many people that do join these kind of programs already have some programming experience or at-least knows the logic. If you already know logic coding is going to be easy
 

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I know person who hires folks off the street with no training If they have the skill set. I know 2 programmers who didn't even go to college, and they are both programmers for a living. Both persons programmed apps or games on their own time for fun. Both got jobs off the strength of their creations.

Some people need school to learn, and being a mediocre programmer is still lucrative. A 3-month coding class could be useful for the average joe trying to make it in life

If you have the skillset, you'll get hired. Some of the greatest programmers never went to college, and that's because they spent tons of free time programming. I just think they are hyping up these coding schools and making people think they can go from a coffee shop to code school and after 3 months, they got a 80k + job waiting for them. I'm just saying I don't believe someone can go from knowing no coding to being ready to be put on major jobs in 3 months. There is simply way too much to learn.
 

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I've read about these coding school before. Competition is very fierce, if i remember correctly they even kick people out of the program if they aren't good enough.Pretty sure many people that do join these kind of programs already have some programming experience or at-least knows the logic. If you already know logic coding is going to be easy

Yeah, that's what I believe. They already have to at least know a lot of what they are doing to some extent and go to have something on their resume or to polish up on their app making skills. These articles are giving the impression that you can be a garbage man, have no experience with programming, go to coding school and come out making 2 to 3 times as much, which is misleading.
 

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I've mentioned the Ironyard up here before, a 3 month coding academy. They teach front end and backend, but you only do one of those per 3 month track. So I went to the last "graduation" where the students showcase their talents, with various websites they created. It was a diverse group, all types of professional background or none at all.

I learned so much in 90 mins, combined with the things I've learned on this forum, and my own research. The other thing that has really scared me away from coding is it seeming to be very stale and not stimulating for somebody like me. It just seems bland, but they mostly said it becomes more interesting the more you learn. I'm really considering this shiit....:patrice:

As someone who looks at payroll data at many different companies.

100k is basically entry level salary for programmers and comp engineers. After 5 years it's about 130k-150k. This is purely Bay Area.

But 90k is median income out here, so 100k ain't that much. you can't live by yourself on a 100k.

Last year when I reading some of the top jobs being listed for GIS, the requirements were all these coding languages, and all this jargon that I'm like :dahell:. After going to this "graduation", they explained the jargon through their projects and all of a sudden it made sense. There was a white chick there that did a pet related website, who had spent two years working in Spain and fluent in the language. I asked if learning Spanish or learning a front end coding language was more difficult? She said Spanish was harder, cause at least coding was in English. That may have been the surprise comment, cause she explained all scripting is done in English, no matter where you are in the world :ohh:
 
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This thread is interesting because I work in ad tech and we frequently encounter developers whose main problem is they are good at what they do, but have no business sense. They don't understand their creation needs to be advertised and we need to track analytics and measure user behavior to guide future more profitable inventions. I would say definitely attend one of these code schools (the ones with good reviews by doing your research) but only after you have strengthened your business acumen.

I guarantee you the main coders out of a job or out of work are the ones with no business sense at all. They can't connect the dots between the consumer dollars and the lines of code.
 

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This thread is interesting because I work in ad tech and we frequently encounter developers whose main problem is they are good at what they do, but have no business sense. They don't understand their creation needs to be advertised and we need to track analytics and measure user behavior to guide future more profitable inventions. I would say definitely attend one of these code schools (the ones with good reviews by doing your research) but only after you have strengthened your business acumen.

I guarantee you the main coders out of a job or out of work are the ones with no business sense at all. They can't connect the dots between the consumer dollars and the lines of code.


This isn't really true. Most coders are out of work because eventually whatever project they are working on comes to an end and then if there is no other project to do...then what are they going to be doing?

Company I work at entire application writing cycle is

Hire contractors in the beginning to pump out tons of "code"

Once whatever application is functioning...cut the contractors who are not making a difference...

Start sectioning off the application and the code...get rid of stuff that doesn't work...get rid of parts of the application that are not user friendly or are fluff are actually break other things in the application...

At some point you do this enough that you actually have a fully featured application to release...at this point you have a ton of documentation and commits on the code and application, so now you can fire damn near every contractor...

Release said app, if there are any snafu's the full time guys get first crack at it and if they can't fix it...then you hire contractors...again...just to fix any bugs...probably won't be the same contractors since there are some pretty strict labor laws surrounding how quickly you can hire a contractor back that you let go...

The problem with these 3 month schools and how much they teach you is that it does not consider the very first step of getting a job...which is sending in a resume...and on a resume...9 out of 10 times somebody with a college degree is going to get that interview over some other type of technical brain dump or boot camp, because the guy making the decision went where? To a 4 year college...

People kill me with this "oh i know this developer who never went to college and he works for blah blah blah"...yeah okay fine, let's go down to his office, get his department in a room, and find out how many of them went to college and how many didn't...I'd be shocked if it was less than 80% went to college...

These bootcamps are nice for actual knowledge...but far as getting you a real job? Unless you are networking with someone there who can help you get your foot in the door I don't see it...3 months at the best coding school in the world is going to be dwarfed by 4 years at even an average state university in the eyes of a hiring manager...who in all likelihood got his education at the 4 year state university...
 

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So @duckbutta that's why as a Developer you can't be a one trick pony. You have to know multiple languages. The reason this one young homie I knew couldn't find a job was because he only knew 3 languages. So he learned 2 more and then got a job.

If your project for Python or Java ended perhaps the same company has another need for a C++ app specialist or whatever. If you did good on the previous project I'm sure they'd rather hire someone they've worked with before if possible.
 
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