As Tech Booms, Workers Turn to Coding for Career Change

[BaggerofTea]

So explain what is hard about it?

Its tedious as fukk

I actually enjoy coding so it isn't as bad, but you have to think like a flow chart almost. With hundreds of different connections.

 

[Moshe.]

coding is not as easy as people think

I found it pretty easy to learn. But I code in high-level languages like Matlab and Labview (not much in terms of actual "coding" except within the math script). Other languages I know are C/C++ (not an expert, but I know enough to do my job), R, Assembly, and Python.

Most of those languages were used in the courses I had to take at my university. I learned Python on my own, which is one I still use to this day other than Labview and Matlab.

 

[newworldafro]

Its tedious as fukk

I actually enjoy coding so it isn't as bad, but you have to think like a flow chart almost. With hundreds of different connections.

Cool...that's what I need to hear the real shiit.

So I know a flowchart is a bunch of arrows pointing at a process to show how something begins and ends and any outside connections. Is that what you are doing when coding, you have to think like that?

 

[newworldafro]

lol all you see people say is "learn to codE" "go to school for IT", "go to school for stem". lol
Folks fail to realize most people can't make it through these programs, its not as simple as "learning code", you have to have a certain mindset to be good at it, etc.

At the Ironyard demonstration the students were saying they give you a pre-test to see if you can handle it, before you put your money in.

 

[rapbeats]

I find it hard to believe that someone pops into some 'coding school' for 3 months and comes out a sufficient programmer to get 100k jobs on the regular. There may be a few lucky cases here and there, but I doubt this is the norm. More like they are floating these stories to create an influx of 'coders' to lower the wage on programmers, but they'll soon find that if you aren't bringing in quality programmers. you are going to pay for it in the long-run.

There are tons of people who come out of computer science programs, that there would be no need to grab people from 3 month code schools and pay them exorbitant amounts of money. 3 months simply isn't enough time to learn everything you need to know, which, if for web development, includes HTML, CSS, Javascript and it's various frameworks.

Can people make a lot of money in the field? Absolutely... but these articles are trying to create a new 'gold rush' as if you can just study for a few months and come out making tons of cash.

dude was a math major. so that means he already had the math down pat. thats the hard part for most.

so the 3 months actually learning the logic isnt that tough if you have an extensive knowledge of mathematics. in addition. he didnt become this big time programmer. he was a data scientist. Do you know what that is?

About data scientists

Rising alongside the relatively new technology of big data is the new job title data scientist. While not tied exclusively to big data projects, the data scientist role does complement them because of the increased breadth and depth of data being examined, as compared to traditional roles.

So what does a data scientist do?

A data scientist represents an evolution from the business or data analyst role. The formal training is similar, with a solid foundation typically in computer science and applications, modeling, statistics, analytics and math. What sets the data scientist apart is strong business acumen, coupled with the ability to communicate findings to both business and IT leaders in a way that can influence how an organization approaches a business challenge. Good data scientists will not just address business problems, they will pick the right problems that have the most value to the organization.

The data scientist role has been described as “part analyst, part artist.” Anjul Bhambhri, vice president of big data products at IBM, says, “A data scientist is somebody who is inquisitive, who can stare at data and spot trends. It's almost like a Renaissance individual who really wants to learn and bring change to an organization."

Whereas a traditional data analyst may look only at data from a single source – a CRM system, for example – a data scientist will most likely explore and examine data from multiple disparate sources. The data scientist will sift through all incoming data with the goal of discovering a previously hidden insight, which in turn can provide a competitive advantage or address a pressing business problem. A data scientist does not simply collect and report on data, but also looks at it from many angles, determines what it means, then recommends ways to apply the data.

Data scientists are inquisitive: exploring, asking questions, doing “what if” analysis, questioning existing assumptions and processes. Armed with data and analytical results, a top-tier data scientist will then communicate informed conclusions and recommendations across an organization’s leadership structure.

...He was clearly right as we are now used to hearing that data scientists are the key to unlocking the value of big data. This has created a huge market for people with these skills. US recruitment agency, Glassdoor, report that the average salary for a data scientist is $118,709 versus $64,537 for a skilled programmer.

Sure, it might be more fun to be a painter, teacher or police officer. But if you're looking for the highest paid profession, data science is hard to beat.

Yes, CEOs make more, coming in at a median salary of $740,589. But among the jobs available to the remaining 99.999% of us, data-scientist salaries are hard to beat. In fact, for job postings nationwide, data-scientist salaries are 113% more than average salaries for all job postings, according to Indeed.com.

But while "data science" may sound cut-and-dried to outsiders, the practitioners who really deserve their big bucks are anything but. Making data science sing is a matter of mastering statistics, math and programming, and then deploying them to derive insights using the same business understanding—and gut instinct—that drives most company-executive decisions.

Which, of course, means that only a fraction of data scientists do their jobs well.

Data Is Money
The average data scientist today earns $123,000 a year, according to Indeed.com. But the operating term here is "today," since data science has paid increasing dividends since it really burst into business consciousness in 2012.

http://readwrite.com/2014/07/21/data-scientist-income-skills-jobs

 

[rapbeats]

Cool...that's what I need to hear the real shiit.

So I know a flowchart is a bunch of arrows pointing at a process to show how something begins and ends and any outside connections. Is that what are you doing when coding, you have to think like that

i tell people all the time. the simplest form of programming is the hardest form.

If, Then statements.

if this happens, then do that.
if this doesnt happen, then dont do that

if this , that, and that other thing happens, Then do that.


Thecoli log on

If someone puts in their user name, then dont give them access after they hit submit/ok until they put in their matching password.

(your password is saved in a database some where encrypted(hopefully). your user id calls to this data base when you put your password in and hits ok. if they match. you get in.

If password matches, user gets on the coli site...
but wait...which part of the site.

if the password matches, all users goto "home page"

error catching

what happens if the password doesnt match? it will say password doesnt match or user/password doesnt match.

how do you think that works?

if they didnt have something to catch that error. it could give you a real error screen. OR not say anything at all and you would never know you typed the wrong thing. so now

If user name and password dont match, THen goto user/password error message

You already have the user/password error message -"user/password doesnt match" sitting some where on the server.

thats how programming works for everything you see. yes it gets a ton more complicated than that. and thats for the gurus to figure out. but no matter how complex it may be. thats pretty much whats going on.

same thing with computers, same thing with your ATM card getting money out. all of it, is the same.

your microwave, your tv, etc. all the same. if i push this button, then this happens.

everything at the end of the day is based on an IF, THEN statement.

its called LOGIC. that same logic is chemistry/science. Cause and Effect.

laws/lawyers... watch caused that person to kill that other person. The effect was the killing, so what was the cause(motive).

its all the same LOGiC.

 

[rapbeats]

So @duckbutta that's why as a Developer you can't be a one trick pony. You have to know multiple languages. The reason this one young homie I knew couldn't find a job was because he only knew 3 languages. So he learned 2 more and then got a job.

If your project for Python or Java ended perhaps the same company has another need for a C++ app specialist or whatever. If you did good on the previous project I'm sure they'd rather hire someone they've worked with before if possible.

This is true. but here's the thing.

if you know the right 3. you should be in good shape.

if you know the hot 3. then you will be ok. if you know1 of the hot 3, then you may have some issues finding work.

anyone thats a serious programmer if you ask me should be a free lance programmer on the side. so you wont have to sit around waiting for that big company to call you.

 

[kevm3]

dude was a math major. so that means he already had the math down pat. thats the hard part for most.

so the 3 months actually learning the logic isnt that tough if you have an extensive knowledge of mathematics. in addition. he didnt become this big time programmer. he was a data scientist. Do you know what that is?







http://readwrite.com/2014/07/21/data-scientist-income-skills-jobs

Python has a sizable amount of books on data science. I haven't delved into those books much myself, but I'll probably end up picking some of those skills in the future. I doubt I'll become a data scientist, but just having the ability to grab data and analyze it using technology is a very useful skillset to have. Mining data and analysis is pretty much the new model for a lot of online businesses. That's one of the main reasons Windows 10 is "free".

 

[Willie]

Been on Codecademy for the past 4 days



Started with HTML (I knew some very basic shyt) and CSS

I'm gonna jump into the Java next.



Not as hard as people make it seem but I pick up on things quick. But I can see how someone would look at it and go

Not looking to make 100K right out the gate but I know there's some $$$$$ in it for me (and all of us)

 

[newworldafro]

Python has a sizable amount of books on data science. I haven't delved into those books much myself, but I'll probably end up picking some of those skills in the future. I doubt I'll become a data scientist, but just having the ability to grab data and analyze it using technology is a very useful skillset to have. Mining data and analysis is pretty much the new model for a lot of online businesses. That's one of the main reasons Windows 10 is "free".

I've said mildly up here a few times this is a major junction right here....this is exactly what this is about ... http://www.thecoli.com/threads/‘smart-cities’-will-know-everything-about-you.336529/ ...that Big Data....everything becomes data for analysis...no wonder them jokers get paid 100k out the gate...

 

[kevm3]

Been on Codecademy for the past 4 days



Started with HTML (I knew some very basic shyt) and CSS

I'm gonna jump into the Java next.



Not as hard as people make it seem but I pick up on things quick. But I can see how someone would look at it and go

Not looking to make 100K right out the gate but I know there's some $$$$$ in it for me (and all of us)

Java and Javascript are two different languages just to let you know. If you're going to be doing front-end web development, you'll have to learn Javascript, which is what is on the codecademy website.

 

[Darts]

The claims these schools make are, but I'm scheduled to start web dev bootcamp in a month, got a full scholarship
I also just got called in for a tech-ish gig at a startup, worked last week and by the end of next week they'll make me an offer...or not. They listed a salary range of 40k to 80k, though I'm not sure what benefits they're offering besides beer, chill schedule and no dress code.
I'm going to have to turn them down either way, since I can't work for 3 months while doing the bootcamp Am I crazy ya'll?


@Brady Hoke's Artery have you started with Hack Reactor yet? How's the work so far? I know it's remote, but do they also make it so you can't work?

@Camile.Bidan what do customer support/account management/sales/operations salaries look like in the Bay Area?

What languages do they teach at the bootcamp? Do you get a cert at the end or do they help to place you in a job? How do these work?

 

[Willie]

Java and Javascript are two different languages just to let you know. If you're going to be doing front-end web development, you'll have to learn Javascript, which is what is on the codecademy website.

Tbh I'm not really sure exactly what I meant. Still fairly new to the lingo used.

After reading your post I think it'll be beneficial that I learn both.

 

[notwhoiusedtobe]

What languages do they teach at the bootcamp? Do you get a cert at the end or do they help to place you in a job? How do these work?

HTML, CSS, Javascript, Ruby on Rails...You receive a certificate of completion where I'm going, but I doubt that will mean anything to anyone. I think what's more important are the networking opportunities and mixers they provide. Most don't place you anywhere, but I've read a few stories about people moving from these programs into apprenticeships where they get paid $3600 a month to work Mon-Thurs, then attend classes on Friday. Another girl I know got a job fairly soon after. She was making over 70k, but she'd been programming since high school.

 

[Darts]

HTML, CSS, Javascript, Ruby on Rails...You receive a certificate of completion where I'm going, but I doubt that will mean anything to anyone. I think what's more important are the networking opportunities and mixers they provide. Most don't place you anywhere, but I've read a few stories about people moving from these programs into apprenticeships where they get paid $3600 a month to work Mon-Thurs, then attend classes on Friday. Another girl I know got a job fairly soon after. She was making over 70k, but she'd been programming since high school.

Ok cool, I figured the networking is the biggest advantage with these. Have you been on Codecademy? shyt's been blowing my mind with how much I've learned versus an in person/class instructor. I did a Javascript/PHP class a few years back and hardly did shyt lol...now this stuff is easier to grasp than before. Just need to practice more and learn more advanced concepts and I think I'll be straight.