At their PEAK … who is a better rapper.. MF DOOM… or.. THE RZA

Who is the better mc at their PEAK form

  • DOOM

  • THE RZA


Results are only viewable after voting.

Bugzbunny129

All Star
Joined
Apr 14, 2020
Messages
3,235
Reputation
1,320
Daps
7,633
RZA shined the most on topical verses (he's obviously well-read), but the flipside of that is that his solo albums in general lack introspection. A lotta slang, colorful language and 5% rhetoric but not much self-reflection nor the ability to make the characters in his songs (i.e. Bobby Digital and etc.) feel real. The album "RZA as Bobby Digital" is a long ass Kung Fu movie with a lotta action set-pieces but the star has no flaws and no backstory. A lot of his work suffers from that.

DOOM even when in character (or multiple characters) is much better at capturing the "reality" of what he raps about even when its dressed up in obscure references and slang.
Rzas solos all have flashes of brilliance but i understand why people dont like them as they have filler as well. But im not even talking his solos. Rza peaked before 98.

But i dont agree with what you said

What is build strong if not an introspection?? That song is way more inteospection than any doom song.

Day to god is 1000 years? The birth? I cant goto sleep

This is kinda bullshyt
 

Knucklehead

HMFIC
Joined
Jul 4, 2013
Messages
2,249
Reputation
1,232
Daps
13,429
Reppin
Montreal #byrdgang
I gave u sources Goto discogs and read the inner sleeve of wu meets indie album. The story is right there

The ghost doom plane story is right on google.

What you didny know doom took his sound from the cappadonna lp either?

Look up elps tweet about how doom knew every word drunk on the couch

Look up juan ep interview where dooms manager says they bought it 3x and it made doom wanna rap again (yea injust said that)

Foto his 97-99 stretch n bob appearances and see how he always asks for and rhymes over cappafonna beats every single one.

Go listen to check for a nikka then to arrow root

fukkin newbie doom fans man. Ive been listening to this guy for 20 years i love him.

He didnt invent rap. THE RZA DID

Ill be back tomorrow. Do ya homework and listen to gravediggaz 1-2

Their will be a report
Literally no one even thought of this comparison before yet you felt the need to post a poll and are now having a complete meltdown because people don’t agree with you.
RZA invented rap now?
Seek help.
 

Bugzbunny129

All Star
Joined
Apr 14, 2020
Messages
3,235
Reputation
1,320
Daps
7,633
Literally no one even thought of this comparison before yet you felt the need to post a poll and are now having a complete meltdown because people don’t agree with you.
RZA invented rap now?
Seek help.
Omg bro its a JOKE. No rza didnt invent rap.i thought thatd be OBVIOUS Im just schoolin a yougin shyttin on wutang

Doom 100% was inspired by wu. They are each top 5 rapper producers…. They collab. They produce for
Others. They rap at high levels.

How is this an ODD comparison?

Apprently comparing 2/4 most famous rapper producers in the genre is less obvious then me saying the RZA CREATED HIP HOP being a joke to you…

fukkING DUNCE

Yall are so fukking weird man. This thread
Worse than my outkast one where half the people agreed.
 
Last edited:

Billie Jean

everything I did wrong...worked.
Joined
Nov 9, 2014
Messages
2,895
Reputation
2,206
Daps
14,059
Reppin
Neverland
I gave u sources Goto discogs and read the inner sleeve of wu meets indie album. The story is right there

The ghost doom plane story is right on google.

What you didny know doom took his sound from the cappadonna lp either?

Look up elps tweet about how doom knew every word drunk on the couch

Look up juan ep interview where dooms manager says they bought it 3x and it made doom wanna rap again (yea injust said that)

Foto his 97-99 stretch n bob appearances and see how he always asks for and rhymes over cappafonna beats every single one.

Go listen to check for a nikka then to arrow root

fukkin newbie doom fans man. Ive been listening to this guy for 20 years i love him.

He didnt invent rap. THE RZA DID

Ill be back tomorrow. Do ya homework and listen to gravediggaz 1-2

Their will be a report
Dont call me no newbie doom fan mf. I aint got Wu tang push notifications in 2024
:camby:

Imma check ya sources. If they dont check out imma neg u on site playa
 

Jaguar93

Veteran
Joined
Jan 28, 2016
Messages
17,108
Reputation
4,863
Daps
82,937
:mjlol: Why is this even a conversation lol. As a rapper Rza is not fukking with DOOM. Wtf are y’all on this Monday lol.
 
Last edited:

FruitOfTheVale

Superstar
Joined
May 30, 2015
Messages
6,543
Reputation
4,218
Daps
18,016
Rzas solos all have flashes of brilliance but i understand why people dont like them as they have filler as well. But im not even talking his solos. Rza peaked before 98.

But i dont agree with what you said

What is build strong if not an introspection?? That song is way more inteospection than any doom song.

Day to god is 1000 years? The birth? I cant goto sleep

This is kinda bullshyt



Build Strong is a "diary" style track w/ a crying type of delivery, it is introspective but in a way that really calls attention to itself to the point it comes off like he's aware he's making "the introspective joint" as opposed to all the other joints where he isn't. Also his raw delivery works for him a lot of the time but other times, it feels theatrical. He's pushing the limits of his range on that track and it feels a little forced tbh. It comes off like him doing his best Ghostface impression.

DOOM in general doesn't stretch his delivery in that type of way so yeah it's fair to say he has a smaller range than RZA vocally. However, DOOM executes way better as a writer and has more social commentary & self reflection - what most people would call gems - in any given bar than RZA does. DOOM has throwaway verses and trash albums too but since we're talking about peaks, on his best work the lyricism is more effortless and wittier and the insights are more frequent, and he's juggling more wordplay and punchlines while he's doing it.
 

Soylent Greenz

All Star
Joined
Dec 15, 2016
Messages
1,506
Reputation
432
Daps
5,380
Reppin
Brooklyn
I used to bump all doom old shyt.....but I don't even wanna listen to any of it anymore.
I still bump all that Wu tang Forever shyt,and Rza verses always standout.
 

Bugzbunny129

All Star
Joined
Apr 14, 2020
Messages
3,235
Reputation
1,320
Daps
7,633
Build Strong is a "diary" style track w/ a crying type of delivery, it is introspective but in a way that really calls attention to itself to the point it comes off like he's aware he's making "the introspective joint" as opposed to all the other joints where he isn't. Also his raw delivery works for him a lot of the time but other times, it feels theatrical. He's pushing the limits of his range on that track and it feels a little forced tbh. It comes off like him doing his best Ghostface impression.

DOOM in general doesn't stretch his delivery in that type of way so yeah it's fair to say he has a smaller range than RZA vocally. However, DOOM executes way better as a writer and has more social commentary & self reflection - what most people would call gems - in any given bar than RZA does. DOOM has throwaway verses and trash albums too but since we're talking about peaks, on his best work the lyricism is more effortless and wittier and the insights are more frequent, and he's juggling more wordplay and punchlines while he's doing it.

Since your the only person taking this seriously somwill i


Ill give you wordplay and the hidden meaning gems and shyt 100%. Ill give you flow even most the time even if doom keeps it simple it works. Doom tends to put more into his songs especially once rza became wealthy he phoned it in some.

But doom is also laid back on every track and rarely moves out of a spce that rza moves in and out of with ease. Rza doss hrscore rap. Rnb. Splits styles like noone. Can do laid back joints. Rock joints. Osts. Electronic stuff. Can spit with passion. Doom rarely steps out his space at all. (Flow/delivery wise. Hell rap over anything)

Rza is more a andre 3000 style poet rapper to dooms pure mc imo. But rza has also done that multi style seen on impossible and others. Rza is easier to understand marble mouf aside which you can either take as good or bad. Rza can get highly descriptive and take you there (whats going on, diary of a madman, domestic violence) where as doom has a tendency to wander with his thoughts even while telling a story which works in its own cool way. Different

Doom is 100% more consistent over time and bis solos > rzas. Rza takes WAAAAAY more risks. Doom knew what he did best and stuck to it. Rza tries to be too many things sometimes. Too lyrical. Fit too many words. It is not as smooth as dooms because doom will change subject and then bring it back somewhere else.

I just think itd ridiculous to say doom blows peak rza out the water. He blows bobby dofital out the water. Not the rza.

What rza lacks as a rapper he makes up as a producer and visa versa for doom but even as rappers i think its close.

So did doom apparently cause he wanted to work with him early on.

Oh and obviously i kid doom fans. Hes one of my fav rappers ever. But so is the rza.
 
Last edited:

FruitOfTheVale

Superstar
Joined
May 30, 2015
Messages
6,543
Reputation
4,218
Daps
18,016
Since your the only person taking this seriously somwill i


Ill give you wordplay and the hidden meaning gems and shyt 100%. Ill give you flow even most the time even if doom keeps it simple it works. Doom tends to put more into his songs especially once rza became wealthy he phoned it in some.

But doom is also laid back on every track and rarely moves out of a spce that rza moves in and out of with ease. Rza doss hrscore rap. Rnb. Splits styles like noone. Can do laid back joints. Rock joints. Osts. Electronic stuff. Can spit with passion. Doom rarely steps out his space at all. (Flow/delivery wise. Hell rap over anything)

Rza is more a andre 3000 style poet rapper to dooms pure mc imo. But rza has also done that multi style seen on impossible and others. Rza is easier to understand marble mouf aside which you can either take as good or bad. Rza can get highly descriptive and take you there (whats going on, diary of a madman, domestic violence) where as doom has a tendency to wander with his thoughts even while telling a story which works in its own cool way. Different

Doom is 100% more consistent over time and bis solos > rzas. Rza takes WAAAAAY more risks. Doom knew what he did best and stuck to it. Rza tries to be too many things sometimes. Too lyrical. Fit too many words. It is not as smooth as dooms because doom will change subject and then bring it back somewhere else.

I just think itd ridiculous to say doom blows peak rza out the water. He blows bobby dofital out the water. Not the rza.

What rza lacks as a rapper he makes up as a producer and visa versa for doom but even as rappers i think its close.

So did doom apparently cause he wanted to work with him early on.

Oh and obviously i kid doom fans. Hes one of my fav rappers ever. But so is the rza.


Pretty much agree, although Doom's delivery on KMD was significantly more dynamic than his later work so imo its not really a question of whether he could pocket a different flow, he just didn't. And, similarly to RZA, his production complimented his own delivery perfectly, so he had the ability to stick to rapping on production that fit.
 
Top