aren't hindus going to hell too?
what if a gay promisses to repent on his deathbed?
Atheist lib. asks "Whatever happened to religious freedom?" (article)
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what if a gay promisses to repent on his deathbed?
valet
The official Chaplain of the Coli
Uh, ok.so let god come down here and do something about it, it's his words
you might as well tell me santa claus is against gay marriage
valet
The official Chaplain of the Coli
If it just said congraduations, how would they know it was for a gay wedding? Obviously, it'll say more then that. Like their names (Congrads Big Mike and Big Bob), gay symbols, 2 men/2 women etc. Hindus, Jews etc. would be in line in what God says marriage is if it's a man and a woman. Christians don't believe Jews, Hindus are not married if they're not Christians. So that wouldn't matter their religious beliefs.
Now, the second marriage is a good question. I'm not certain how that would apply. For a non-Christian wedding cake, I don't see why that would be an issue. Only way I could see that would be that bakery knew that person, personally. The person was a Christian. And knew that the reason that they got a divorce was unbiblical. Then in that case, I could see them refusing to make a cake. But I haven't really thought about that scenario. That's a good question.
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valet
The official Chaplain of the Coli
Just a fyi on marriage. Even in Bible times it's talks about a believer being married to a non believer. And it tells the Christian to stay married to the non-believer. Unless, the non believer wants to leave. So marriage is not based on religous beliefs. It's about gender.
That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh. Gen. 2
And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. I Corinthians 7
That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh. Gen. 2
And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. I Corinthians 7
dennis roadman
nuclear war in my bag
Your argument still stands on the idea that gay marriage is an insult. Which in turn posits that anything outside of a life biblically prescribed is an insult, and that these insults demean and lead to discrimination of Christians. None of which is true. There has never been a movement of gays hanging Christians in trees or showering them with poison gas just for being Christian.
If we were to start considering homosexuality a religion that practiced oaths through gay marriage and gay sex, would it then be ok? Because that's them exercising religious freedom, right? And religious beliefs must not be encroached upon
valet
The official Chaplain of the Coli
And I'm sure people would understand if a request was made that went against a Muslim beliefs. For example, if a bakery was
Nope, I'm going by what you said the standard for refusing service is. You said it's ok for blacks, jews to refuse kkk, nazi cakes because it demeaning, insulting to a certain group. I'm saying if that's the standard, then that applies to a certain group as well. Which in this case is religious. (Technically, you can say Jews is for religious reasons as well. Depending on the Jew and if they practice their religion). As far as, saying that therefore all things not biblically prescribed is an insult. That's an assumption. I never made that argument. Sure, there's never been a movement of gays doing those things to Christians. Still doesn't mean it's not an insult and demeaning to what a Christian believes God says marriage is.
As far as the last paragraph, no that would not be ok. If religion beliefs should not be encroached upon then that would apply to Christian as well. And that gay religion would be encrouching upon the Christian to make them a gay marriage cake.
Nope, I'm going by what you said the standard for refusing service is. You said it's ok for blacks, jews to refuse kkk, nazi cakes because it demeaning, insulting to a certain group. I'm saying if that's the standard, then that applies to a certain group as well. Which in this case is religious. (Technically, you can say Jews is for religious reasons as well. Depending on the Jew and if they practice their religion). As far as, saying that therefore all things not biblically prescribed is an insult. That's an assumption. I never made that argument. Sure, there's never been a movement of gays doing those things to Christians. Still doesn't mean it's not an insult and demeaning to what a Christian believes God says marriage is.
As far as the last paragraph, no that would not be ok. If religion beliefs should not be encroached upon then that would apply to Christian as well. And that gay religion would be encrouching upon the Christian to make them a gay marriage cake.
valet
The official Chaplain of the Coli
dennis roadman
nuclear war in my bag
You can't ignore the historical precedent here. Christians are not persecuted in this country and gays do not pose a threat to their existence or livelihoods. Having a cake celebrating two dudes loving each other is not demeaning to Christians anymore than having one celebrating a Jewish wedding is, since by nature a Jewish ritual implies that Jesus is not the son of God nor the messiah
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
valet
The official Chaplain of the Coli
Jewish wedding cake and gay marriage are not equal comparision. A Jewish wedding again, is between a man and a woman. The man whom the religion is after performed his first miracle at a Jewish wedding (turned water into wine). That's totally different then saying two dudes who "love" each other, and making a cake celebrating that love. That defies what that religion says marriage is by nature. A Jewish wedding does not.
Sure, Christians are not "physically" persecuted, gays don't pose a threat to existence (though public health concerns with their practices are a threat). As far as liveihoods, well, the beginning article would disagree with that....
Stop it devil
dennis roadman
nuclear war in my bag
being any religion other than christian implicitly and inherently says christianity is the wrong religion to practice, and that jesus is not what christians say he is
so following your logic, by taking part in a jewish wedding, a christian bakery would be demeaning the faith of its owners
i personally think this is ridiculous in the pluralistic society we've all built together, so they could just bake the cakes for whoever orders them
I agree, a Christian bakery was forced to make a gay wedding cake even though it's against there religious ideals it kinda proves that we don't live in a free world and opinions though different aren't accepted
valet
The official Chaplain of the Coli
Again, you said this earlier in other words and it's not correct. Just because Christianity believes the Jewish religion is wrong. Does not mean that a man and a woman getting married who are Jewish is wrong. It is not. Their religon is wrong. But a man and a woman getting married is good. So making a cake for that wedding would be good.
Let me ask you this. If a Jew has certain beliefs about Kosher. Or a Muslim. Should they have to break their beliefs if a person requests a product that's non kosher. Let's say an icing that contains some type of animal fat that goes against their beliefs? Since we're a "pluraritic society" according to your last sentence, I wonder why the gays couldn't respect that belief. And go to a bakery that did gay wedding cakes.
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