Atheist lib. asks "Whatever happened to religious freedom?" (article)

[dennis roadman]

Again, you said this earlier in other words and it's not correct. Just because Christianity believes the Jewish religion is wrong. Does not mean that a man and a woman getting married who are Jewish is wrong. It is not. Their religon is wrong. But a man and a woman getting married is good. So making a cake for that wedding would be good.

Let me ask you this. If a Jew has certain beliefs about Kosher. Or a Muslim. Should they have to break their beliefs if a person requests a product that's non kosher. Let's say an icing that contains some type of animal fat that goes against their beliefs? Since we're a "pluraritic society" according to your last sentence, I wonder why the gays couldn't respect that belief. And go to a bakery that did gay wedding cakes.

helping two people get married under the veil of a religion that denotes christianity as false isn't wrong?

a lot of jewish bakeries would just say they dont have that product, or they'd just do it, i imagine

i guess i agree with your point about going to a bakery that was fully explicit in doing gay wedding cakes, but you don't see the difference in discriminating against the use of porcine fat and human beings?

 

[valet]

helping two people get married under the veil of a religion that denotes christianity as false isn't wrong?

a lot of jewish bakeries would just say they dont have that product, or they'd just do it, i imagine

i guess i agree with your point about going to a bakery that was fully explicit in doing gay wedding cakes, but you don't see the difference in discriminating against the use of porcine fat and human beings?

No, that would not be wrong. Yes, I see the difference between porcine fat and human beings. But my point is, in our country, Muslims, Jewish beliefs are respected by alot in society. If a Jew, Muslim said "we just don't do it." I think that's accepted because many in society are tolerant of their religion and their restrictions. You can even look at how Muslim women are treated in this country and how our society tolerates it because it's their religion.

I would even go as far as to say it would be the same with Muslims and not doing gay wedding cakes. I posted this video before. Now, if this happen in real life, I honestly believe they not have the reaction that Christian bakeries have experienced. Because many of society teach tolerance of certain belief systems.

 

[dennis roadman]

No, that would not be wrong. Yes, I see the difference between porcine fat and human beings. But my point is, in our country, Muslims, Jewish beliefs are respected by alot in society. If a Jew, Muslim said "we just don't do it." I think that's accepted because many in society are tolerant of their religion and their restrictions. You can even look at how Muslim women are treated in this country and how our society tolerates it because it's their religion.

I would even go as far as to say it would be the same with Muslims and not doing gay wedding cakes. I posted this video before. Now, if this happen in real life, I honestly believe they not have the reaction that Christian bakeries have experienced. Because many of society teach tolerance of certain belief systems.

well breh, this is the price you pay when your religion dominates the cultural landscape of a country - people don't really care to hear your complaints because they're not connected to a wider web of discrimination like with jews, muslims, and gays

one bakery paying a steep fine doesn't signal the end of anything, whether i agree with it or not

 

[valet]

well breh, this is the price you pay when your religion dominates the cultural landscape of a country - people don't really care to hear your complaints because they're not connected to a wider web of discrimination like with jews, muslims, and gays

one bakery paying a steep fine doesn't signal the end of anything, whether i agree with it or not

Oh, no doubt. I'm just showing the inconsistency.

 

[dennis roadman]

Oh, no doubt. I'm just showing the inconsistency.

not worth pointing out, really. white people get selectively discriminated against and sometimes and annoyingly try to reconcile it with systemic oppression as well

 

[valet]

not worth pointing out, really. white people get selectively discriminated against and sometimes and annoyingly try to reconcile it with systemic oppression as well

But there's no cultural shift despite the increase in minorites in certain places like Cali. White people are still in control of the wealth, this country, etc. There is a shift when it comes to the acceptance Christian morality, people who go to church,etc. News media, Hollywood, what control people's minds, don't fit a Christian worldview. And you'll see that changes when it comes to the law. It happened in Canada once gay marriage passed there. And I believe that will mirror in the Staes.

 

[dennis roadman]

But there's no cultural shift despite the increase in minorites in certain places like Cali. White people are still in control of the wealth, this country, etc. There is a shift when it comes to the acceptance Christian morality, people who go to church,etc. News media, Hollywood, what control people's minds, don't fit a Christian worldview. And you'll see that changes when it comes to the law. It happened in Canada once gay marriage passed there. And I believe that will mirror in the Staes.

nah the only shift is that christians can't make non-christians live by their rules as easily as they could before. loss of social influence - that's not the same thing as oppression.

 

[valet]

nah the only shift is that christians can't make non-christians live by their rules as easily as they could before. loss of social influence - that's not the same thing as oppression.

The stats show that Americans are becoming less religious but ok.

 

[dennis roadman]

The stats show that Americans are becoming less religious but ok.

exactly, that's not oppression

a lot of ideas fall out of favor over time, and not necessarily permanently

 

[88m3]

@valet what skin in the game do you have here?

 

[valet]

@valet what skin in the game do you have here?

The city I'm from says it all

 

[valet]

exactly, that's not oppression

a lot of ideas fall out of favor over time, and not necessarily permanently

ok

 

[joeychizzle]

People have the right to believe in whatever they want. People also have the right to rip the living shyt out of whatever those people believe in.