Ms.CuriousCat
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I already believed in a creator, being alive was enough evidence for me. It was about religion and understanding the relationship between creator and created and the message.
Religion/Spirituality Athiest re-write the 10 commandments
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I already believed in a creator, being alive was enough evidence for me. It was about religion and understanding the relationship between creator and created and the message.
Aight, we can just kill this discussion. I can't really have this kind of talk with people with that type of logic & intellectual dishonesty
Ms.CuriousCat
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Aight, we can just kill this discussion. I can't really have this kind of talk with people with that type of logic & intellectual dishonesty
Makes me wonder how much you know about the anatomy and physiology of the human body and what it takes for us to be alive on this big rock but okay.
Interesting list. Oddly enough, I agree with all of them except for 9 ... well, the wording is poor. I suppose there is no one way to live a "good" life, but there are ways to live that are more optimal than others... that is, if your goal is to be "good". But the optimal way to live probably consists of following those other 9 guidelines.
@Ms.CuriousCat & other theists... sorry you had to deal with the likes of Napoleon & crew. They're often more interested in ridiculing than understanding. But... I think the first thing we should clear up that hasn't been addressed. You and @KidJSoul have this misconception that atheists are absolutely 100% certain in the absence of a god, and that's not necessarily the case. Matter of fact, throw out this idea of absolute certainty ... science doesn't work this way, and you really can't prove anything 100%. When I talk about knowledge, I'm referring to practical knowledge. And my atheism is based on a lack of good evidence for the claims that theists made. You don't have to absolutely know X doesn't exist to be justified in not believing it exists.
@Ms.CuriousCat & other theists... sorry you had to deal with the likes of Napoleon & crew. They're often more interested in ridiculing than understanding. But... I think the first thing we should clear up that hasn't been addressed. You and @KidJSoul have this misconception that atheists are absolutely 100% certain in the absence of a god, and that's not necessarily the case. Matter of fact, throw out this idea of absolute certainty ... science doesn't work this way, and you really can't prove anything 100%. When I talk about knowledge, I'm referring to practical knowledge. And my atheism is based on a lack of good evidence for the claims that theists made. You don't have to absolutely know X doesn't exist to be justified in not believing it exists.
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I know a good amount & what I know can be explained through scientific means. If it can't, then I'll just say "I don't know"
Ms.CuriousCat
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@NoMayo15 I can respect that and I believe that science and research are the best things to happen to religion since religion itself. It shows us the order of the universe, and reaffirms the intelligence of the design. We still don't know nearly enough and some of the greatest minds had the humility to say "I don't know" and that is something I can admire.
lol, okay, strange you typed that after I'd written my response to nomayo. So maybe you will be curious to find out why in the Quran where is says Allah created this and that He also said "We sent to you Iron". Something that we didn't know wasn't just formed here on earth until recently. An iron core without which there would be no life on earth. Another coincidence?
I don't think scientists believe in those.
lol, okay, strange you typed that after I'd written my response to nomayo. So maybe you will be curious to find out why in the Quran where is says Allah created this and that He also said "We sent to you Iron". Something that we didn't know wasn't just formed here on earth until recently. An iron core without which there would be no life on earth. Another coincidence?
I don't think scientists believe in those.
According to the coli, i posted my response 12 min before you posted this. & thats the problem with these religious texts (old texts in general), so much of it is up for intepretation, so you can assume it means anything if you want. How are you so sure "we sent yo you iron" is talking about the iron core of the earth?
And you've been using a ton of nonsequiturs throughout this thread, please stop. If you just assume something without taking the proper logical steps, then you can draw coincidences between anything
Well, obviously I can't agree with that, esp. since there are so many examples of imperfect design in the human body alone.
I think the issue is you're interpreting these passages after the fact, and giving them meaning that they didn't originally have. I mean, it's possible that the author could have known about iron ... man had been working it for millennia. But you take that to mean that they somehow knew the Earth's core was iron? I mean, that's the kind of leap in logic it takes to believe these things.
Ms.CuriousCat
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You are so distrustful, why would I lie about having typed up my response then seeing a new alert, but yeah okay.
When you believe in a creator and you write we created x and we created y why then change your language to sent? As for the human body, yes there are cases of disease and disability but for this body to work (made mostly of water and this is specifically mentioned as well), it's mind boggling to me how lightly you take it.
But I will leave you with a short chapter from the Quran
Ch.109
Say, "O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship. Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship. For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
All the best with whatever you choose.
athiests are more obsessed with religion than a lot of religious folk, its like a little brother/inferiority complex
I don't know if I understand your question. But if you're asking me about the intent of the author, then I don't know....I also don't know the context of this specific passage. But it seems to be that you think you do know what he meant, and my question is how can know that? You've added your own interpretation, but the passage is so vague, how can you know really?
Sure, a lot of things about the body are amazing. My point is, if there is an entity that has ultimate knowledge, and the ability to create things to their most optimal performance, then why does the human eye have blind spots? Why is the memory so bad? Why does there exist an organ that has no practical function, but can rupture and ultimately kill these beings I want to live and worship me? To me, that doesn't point towards an intelligent designer creating things with purpose.
Okay likewise...but again, that sentiment is wrong too.
Haha, well I'm obsessed, I'll agree to that.
He said he does not believe in a "creator". You cannot prove a negative. Just like I don't believe there are space unicorns orbting a random planet in the Andromeda galaxy. The burden of proof is on the person making the assertion.
No, the majority of us are agnostic atheists. I don't you think you actually understand what agnostic means
Do you also not believe that not believing is not believing in a concept that has not, not been not proven?
that just sounds like you don't know how the body works. Thats not anyone's fault but your own.
Funny that you should mention human anatomy. This "creator" seems like such an incompetent and unskilled designer. What was the point of giving us tailbones, wisdom teeth or an appendix?
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