Religion/Spirituality Athiest re-write the 10 commandments

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

So you're out here looking up gay videos just for the sake of "winning" arguments with atheists?

Nah, having some shyt like that on hand is suspect.

Not I............

http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/lvhfb/disgusting_video_leaked_of_the_amazing_atheist/

That's where I found the pic. 'Interesting' conversations atheists have.

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[tmonster]

Addressed from the bottom to the top.

It's admirable because billions of people believing in a Christian God >>>> teaching a single bear to ride a bike. Not many out there could create a system of belief that's as ever lasting. So please, let's give the inventors of the bible their due praise. Many brilliant men have come and gone since christianity hit the floor, the bible converted many of those brilliant men to Christianity themselves and many others who didn't adhere to the Christian standards did not dare go against it due to how impeccably imbedded the programing was in the minds of its followers. Only recently in the 21st century has the atheism managed to finally gain some ground, and Jesus is gonna be turning 2015 tomorrow a man who we virtually know nothing about outside of religious texts.

That makes Christianity at least extraordinary, wouldn't you say so?

You say that for any action there are benefits and consequences, but I'm not sure that's how life usually goes tbh. No good deeds go unpunished and very good people are dying as I'm typing. Children are being preyed upon at this very moment and I'm certainly not the one about to make a case that their suffering is a reaction for their own actions. I personally believe that sometimes there's no consequences for bad deeds, and that there's consequences for good deeds. This world/universe is just chaotic that way. Chaotic enough for these sayings to hold ground in reality:

"When one man dies it is a tragedy, when thousands die it's statistics." - Truman (allegedly)
"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, but give a man a bank and he can rob the world." - Unknown


A bunch of shyt happens for no graspable reason, which is why I believe the idea of a heaven holds so much weight. But that may again be my admiration shining through my argument.

My argument is: If good actions do not necessarily always breed benefits – as opposed to sometimes doing bad actions too – as pointed above, then what's the point of emphasizing them over the opposite as an atheist?
I gotta get my reading done on secular humanism though, no doubt.

Weird, the only way I know some of y'all are convinced any of what y'all write is by the sheer volume, otherwise completely incredible

 

[tmonster]

All humans have beliefs, whether they realize it or not, because they are mentally/existentially aware of themselves. A dog just eats, sh*ts, f*cks, and sleeps, that's it. Unfortunately, being born a human, naturally you will trend towards a set of beliefs as a self-conscious being. There's no way you can avoid it, anymore than a bees can avoid pollinating plants, it's in your nature That's what's so comical about atheists, they go so hard not realizing they're ethering themselves, ol' "to be or not to be" azz nikkaz

gosh...how smug and clueless those atheists are

 

[tmonster]

Just checking. I know you like to use smilies and all. Sometimes I need to ask.

well that's one thing you got right in this thread

 

[scarlxrd]

Atheism is like water and people will mold it to whatever they want.

Wut. Christianity has how many denominations based on people molding it to whatever they want........

Atheism, which is simply the denial of the existence of God, is whatever people want it to be? You can't mold something absolute like that. It's the disbelief of a God. That's it. To quote Bill Maher, "If atheism is a religion, then abstinence is a sexual position."

Have you seen people rub the belly? If yes then you know they don't care and associate by name. They are looking for good luck. You are missing my point and proving the entire subjective argument for atheism.

There is no point to that. You're confusing two different things. Budai is not the same thing as the Buddha. So if someone is rubbing Budai's belly... How does that get hung on Buddhism? It's loosely related, which is why I said worshipping it would be like worshipping the Easter Bunny. The people who are making the correlation between the two are idiots, same as if someone were to pray to the Easter Bunny for good luck as opposed to Jesus.

Even better i'm sure others would like to know also.... How many others have achieved enlightenment since Buddha? 10,000? 1,000? 1,000,000? Can you give an answer?

Seeing as how this can't possibly be quantified, the only person I've seen be truly tested was the Buddhist monk who was set on fire and didn't move.
Nirvana/Enlightenment is just a mindset you're going for.

 

[scarlxrd]

So believing there is no God isn't a belief?

Again... if not believing in a God is a belief then not having sex is a sexual position.

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

Again... if not believing in a God is a belief then not having sex is a sexual position.

Not believing in God IS A BELIEF breh

Your analogy would've worked if someone said atheism was a religion instead

 

[Claudex]

Exactly. But Galileo was a Catholic. The church saw this discovery as blasphemous, not because he was an atheist. (That is true, good point.)

Okay well, the golden rule isn't unique to Christianity, (also a great point) or created by Christ. People followed similar laws long before Jesus was even supposedly born (Indeed). Also, I suspect the atheists who made these commandments were doing so not because of the goodness of the Bible's version, but because Judeo-Christian beliefs dominate the western culture (I can get jiggy with this narrative). Had Scientology been the prevalent religion in the region, I bet we'd see people creating their own improved version of that dogma (Agreed).



Well it was you assigning value to one phenomena over another. My question back was me being a bit facetious (No problem man, conversations about religion are very difficult most of the time because of agenda pushes) ... I was trying to demonstrate the absurdity of thinking there's something particularly special about the prevalence of these beliefs. I may have leaped to the conclusion that you were saying that since they have withstood the test of time, therefore they're true. I apologize. (I'm glad we got to understand each other).



Um... well nothing short. But just, in your free time, look up Constantine and the spread of Christianity (Thanks breh ). As long as you're open to the idea that maybe this religion spreading wasn't necessarily because of God, then I'm happy ... we at least have some common ground.



Sure... and maybe religion will never go away, which I'm okay with. If someone uses religion to do good, then I have no problem with that. I just wish they would do good because of the real or Earthly benefits.

I've seen a lot of religious people do good, which is not to say that they wouldn't otherwise (absent religion), but due to their actions I feel I owe it to them to take their beliefs a little bit seriously. So I can't find it in me to label religion as pure evil. I did when I was younger (I was an atheist for a couple of years), but I've been trying to look deeper into what makes a person good/perform-good-deeds, now that I'm a little older.

There's this comedy/drama brazilian movie about God (titled 'God is Brazilian' no less ) in which god himself comes to earth to appoint a new saint, and the saint-to-be turns out to be an atheist who does good for the Earthly benefits. Hilarious movie because god doesn't seek out one out of the millions of priests, ready to be saints at a finger snap, instead he goes for the atheist who only believes in giving all of himself to those in need without caring about anything else at all. The movie gives its own perspective on how being good has nothing to do how many times you go to church a month, but rather how well you serve this earth. Which coincidently is also the basis for my own view of how to live in this world, believe whatever you want just be sure to do good as much as you can.

But this isn't what Christianity teaches ... I don't see how people don't see this ... or maybe they just don't think about it hard enough.

Christianity, or at least the brand I was brought up in, doesn't have this sense of ultimate justice. I mean, it CLAIMS to have, but when you really examine the belief it doesn't. It teaches that God sent his son to die and absolve all the sins of mankind. So even though we're all wicked, ie we all have sinned, any wrongdoing can ultimately be forgiven, as long as you believe in Christ and attempt to live as he wants you to. This system isn't justice ... A merciful god contradicts the idea of justice. Let's say you are raped, and your rapist doesn't get caught by police, realizes the error of his ways and prays for forgiveness. According to this theology, God may ultimately forgive him, and he can spend eternity in heaven, never having paid for his crime. Christianity cannot address this problem.

I need a bit more time to ponder on the above quote.

 

[NoMayo15]

That's on the 'Net. Google 'Amazing Atheist banana'. I don't have (or want.......) this flick. I'm into heterosexual JAV.
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So am I.​

Allllright then, good to know.

 

[noon]

So believing there is no God isn't a belief?

Yes that is a belief. But you're incorrectly attributing 'believing there is no god' to all atheists. Which isn't what most atheists believe. Because that's an absolute that nobody can be sure of. We just don't buy the god story. We can't say there's nothing there. See the image posted earlier in the thread about agnostic atheists and gnostic atheists. The latter is a bit of a silly position to hold.

And even then, 'believing there is no god' is not the same as 'belief in nothing'. Even gnostic atheists belief in lots of things. You're thinking of nihilists.

 

[NoMayo15]

I've seen a lot of religious people do good, which is not to say that they wouldn't otherwise (absent religion), but due to their actions I feel I owe it to them to take their beliefs a little bit seriously. So I can't find it in me to label religion as pure evil. I did when I was younger (I was an atheist for a couple of years), but I've been trying to look deeper into what makes a person good/perform-good-deeds, now that I'm a little older.

There's this comedy/drama brazilian movie about God (titled 'God is Brazilian' no less ) in which god himself comes to earth to appoint a new saint, and the saint-to-be turns out to be an atheist who does good for the Earthly benefits. Hilarious movie because god doesn't seek out one out of the millions of priests, ready to be saints at a finger snap, instead he goes for the atheist who only believes in giving all of himself to those in need without caring about anything else at all. The movie gives its own perspective on how being good has nothing to do how many times you go to church a month, but rather how well you serve this earth. Which coincidently is also the basis for my own view of how to live in this world, believe whatever you want just be sure to do good as much as you can.



I need a bit more time to ponder on the above quote.

That flick sounds interesting, I'll def check it out. +dap & rep

 

[blackzeus]

Yes that is a belief. But you're incorrectly attributing 'believing there is no god' to all atheists. Which isn't what most atheists believe. Because that's an absolute that nobody can be sure of. We just don't buy the god story. We can't say there's nothing there. See the image posted earlier in the thread about agnostic atheists and gnostic atheists. The latter is a bit of a silly position to hold.

And even then, 'believing there is no god' is not the same as 'belief in nothing'. Even gnostic atheists belief in lots of things. You're thinking of nihilists.

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[3][4][5] Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist.[4][5][6][7] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[8][9] which, in its most general form, is the belief that at least one deity exists.[9][10]

Sometimes an atheist just gets confused my nikkaz :insertyoungbuckgif: But why lie, I'd be confused too, trying to explain how I believe that I don't believe that what I believe is a belief.

 

[Thsnnor]

Wut. Christianity has how many denominations based on people molding it to whatever they want........

Atheism, which is simply the denial of the existence of God, is whatever people want it to be? You can't mold something absolute like that. It's the disbelief of a God. That's it. To quote Bill Maher, "If atheism is a religion, then abstinence is a sexual position."


There is no point to that. You're confusing two different things. Budai is not the same thing as the Buddha. So if someone is rubbing Budai's belly... How does that get hung on Buddhism? It's loosely related, which is why I said worshipping it would be like worshipping the Easter Bunny. The people who are making the correlation between the two are idiots, same as if someone were to pray to the Easter Bunny for good luck as opposed to Jesus.



Seeing as how this can't possibly be quantified, the only person I've seen be truly tested was the Buddhist monk who was set on fire and didn't move.
Nirvana/Enlightenment is just a mindset you're going for.

The main difference is all can be judged according to the standard of God. Jim Jones.... bushes. prosperity gospel..... bushes. word of faith movement... bushes. RCC.... bushes.

The final standard either lies in a person or out of a person.

There have many monks since Buddha. If he was the only one thus far to achieve enlightenment his way was the only way....

 

[noon]

Sometimes an atheist just gets confused my nikkaz :insertyoungbuckgif: But why lie, I'd be confused too, trying to explain how I believe that I don't believe that what I believe is a belief.

Like having no hobbies is a hobby and bald is a hair color.

 

[NoMayo15]

Sometimes an atheist just gets confused my nikkaz :insertyoungbuckgif: But why lie, I'd be confused too, trying to explain how I believe that I don't believe that what I believe is a belief.

Do you even read what you post? It says, "In a broad sense," which is what noon is saying, "[atheism is] the rejection of belief in the existence of deities". However "In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities". You know, the words that go before and after the thing you're trying to prove matters too!

So yes, some atheists posit that there is no god, but that's not absolute. Atheism is a rejection of theist claims.

"Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist."