Attended church for 1st time in a decade...I see why the black race is last...

[Stone Cold]

Not in the beginning although God has used evil on multiple occasions as discipline such as the death (satan) pharoah and first borns of egypt, the hardening of the heart of the pharoah and the "tree" of good and evil.

That is simply God admitting he created satan who is the creator of evil. God didn't lie to the angelic order in heaven bout nothing. God didn't introduce rebellion, lies, perversion of the word, murder, sin etc. That is all from the devil

Evil is a side effect of free will and there had to be a catalyst to put free will in place. Notice that the original sin came from Adam choosing to disobey "God". God gave the humans power to create and create reality in a microcosmic sense, we create through choice. But what we create through choice still stems from God on a macro level. Ha Satan also represents the catalyst as the opposition/adversary that God uses to help us exercise our free will.

 

[Dzali OG]

Satan cannot create anything. He is an imitator hence being mocked in the heavenly realm as "lucifer"

Does he imitate or copy God? The distinction being, imitation as in making something not as perfect as God. Copy meaning, he watched how God did it and did it himself.

 

[Dzali OG]

Everything satan does has to be okayed by God. At one point in time people worshipped a golden calf, a false god like satan


Let me clarify myself. Satan, creator of sin, yes. Satan worshippers fall for the old tricks of power, knowledge, and immortality when he cannot grant that at all

How long (if it isn't already here) will it be before man figures how to download and upload conscious into artificial bodies?

So shaitan created sin? He is the God of opposing God. The opposite, the negative to God's positive. He can basically indeed lay claim to creating himself?

Does sin exist in the spiritual realm, or just the physical.

 

[AFRAM GLORY]

Does he imitate or copy God? The distinction being, imitation as in making something not as perfect as God. Copy meaning, he watched how God did it and did it himself.

Bruh he Imitates to the point where he is mocked and made fun of in the heavenly realm as "lucifer" the morning star when that title belongs to Yeshua.

 

[Dzali OG]

Evil is a side effect of free will and there had to be a catalyst to put free will in place. Notice that the original sin came from Adam choosing to disobey "God". God gave the humans power to create and create reality in a microcosmic sense, we create through choice. But what we create through choice still stems from God on a macro level. Ha Satan also represents the catalyst as the opposition/adversary that God uses to help us exercise our free will.

So even God must submit to a rule of the universe (he created) that for everything there's a opposite?

You suggest that sin can only happen on the physical plane?

 

[AFRAM GLORY]

How long (if it isn't already here) will it be before man figures how to download and upload conscious into artificial bodies?

So shaitan created sin? He is the God of opposing God. The opposite, the negative to God's positive. He can basically indeed lay claim to creating himself?

Does sin exist in the spiritual realm, or just the physical.

Death of the flesh is when that consciousness will occur because the flesh houses a spirit that already lived in the heavenly realm as an angel and why every tongue, race, nation will recognize the voice of Yeshua as he returns one final time to earth

Yes satan created sin the moment his beauty, power, wisdom, and pride took over his conscience isiah 14:13. He is a God in a sense that he tricked adam out of his birthright as ruler and God of the earth. Yeshua even told the Pharisees they were gods john 10:34

He cannot claim he created himself because his creation and death sentence was told in ezekial 28:13 and the story of the king of tyre.

Sin was introduced in the heavenly and kicked out through the bondage of the satan and his 1/3rd rebellious angels. Then another group of. fallen angels the watchers rebelled against Yahweh and taught man dark knowledge. So yes I think it is known and recognized in the heavens because Yahweh is covered in the mercy seat and there is a warrior class in the angel order led by michael and his angels to combat it. Plus again satan through trickery, holds Adams spot in the heavenly council job 1:6

 

[Stone Cold]

So even God must submit to a rule of the universe (he created) that for everything there's a opposite?

You suggest that sin can only happen on the physical plane?

If he created one of the laws of the universe why would he compromise it?

Sin is disobedience, I can't comprehend what disobedience is outside of the physical plane so I cant answer that

 

[AFRAM GLORY]

So even God must submit to a rule of the universe (he created) that for everything there's a opposite?

You suggest that sin can only happen on the physical plane?

After the introduction of sin, then yes rules were obviously put in place. Sin is now recognized but hasn't been intentionality occurring in the heavenly realm since satan, his 1/3rd angels, and the watchers rebelled. They do not have free will and disobedience results in an automatic death sentence jude 1:6

 

[Samori Toure]

Evil is a side effect of free will and there had to be a catalyst to put free will in place. Notice that the original sin came from Adam choosing to disobey "God". God gave the humans power to create and create reality in a microcosmic sense, we create through choice. But what we create through choice still stems from God on a macro level. Ha Satan also represents the catalyst as the opposition/adversary that God uses to help us exercise our free will.

Free will means that man has a choice to do good or evil. I kind of think that Hell means that a man's will/heart/spirit/actions are out of compliance with the will of God, which means that God has put you away from him and a person's spirit then is cast into darkness struggles for light/righteousness. I remember reading along time ago that some religions don't have a concept of Hell or Satan.

 

[DeeringHighTornadoes]

Well, you didn't receive the same understanding that I have. That's how breh. You get understanding of doctorine by studying, not reading. Maybe that's the problem.

now i ain't sayin my christian/muslim/jewish/et all brothers are crazy. matter fact my grandmoms is catholic and if you come at her callin her crazy you gon catch these hands plus she one of the wisest people i've ever met. so let's just be straight about it, i ain't no atheist azzhole like a vegan telling aybody around them they opinions like i'ma respect em - i'm an angnostic, not simply for the easy answer but the simple "i don't know" because anyone who says otherwise just comes off as a dikkhead (ie them extreme-vegans and extreme-religous). i realize logic stands to reason there isn't a god but the whole point of religion is having faith over logic - i understand this concept whereas a lot of the coli or atheists don't. even more simply put, i have faith i'm not gonna die tomorrow, but i might. do i have faith in some of what the downright evil shyt said in the (specifically old testament) bible? i dunno if i can, as a person. but sometimes i feel that holy spirit, nahmean? don't ask me how i do occasionally, i can't tell you, but i'm betting you have too, and know what i mean. so therefore i just don't know.

i "studied" the Qur'an in university but is was basically more of a history of it. so in reality it was more of a reading of it. the background, context, etc. the lore/the facts, the aftermath, what have you. it was interesting to know the backstory, but i read that bish. just like i read the bible. and be one hunnid here my man, i know you are, you got some of my favorite all time posts, if anyone reading my long ass post, respekk this man. but reading it just doesn't add up. it's the most confusing, contradictory, obviously perverted by man's writing book ever written. matthew luke john and them boys wrote about it around 70 years later. son how can you not READ it (it's long and confusing so it's easier than studying it) and not come to the conclusion it's contradictory?

you got god saying some vulgar and foul shyt yet jesus who, if existed, is someone everyone on earth should model themselves after and the best part of this ludicrous book (not pejorative it really is), saying the most peaceful and least nonsensical things in this text. like how do you consolidate the two?

sorry for long post.

 

[Hope]

Found a raw ass church with Puerto Rican Pastors. A lot members are like former felons, prostitutes, knuckleheads (not really my past) but I connect with message an work on my personal relationship with God there. It helps for now, but I'm thinking of branching out. I always hated church, and hated god since the age of 14. I like how it doesn't get into politics or social issues. It's about finding hope, faith, and strength.

I was totally at the males in the pulpit.

Southern Baptist or whatever you want to call it. They're basically the same.

I just sat there digesting what was said and the body language...smh.

Christianity is all about being submissive, and it's drilled in you from day one. The pastor, associate pastors, and deacons all had that same submissive stance.

It comes from the teaching that we're all God's "children" so we should be children in "his" eyes.

Christianity is indeed a great tool for white supremacy.

It takes some shopping around. Most people shop around, and sometimes switch later on if they don' get what they need. I would suspect you go to church for you spiritual needs to be met. Sounds like you weren't open-minded or willing in the least though, OP.

 

[Dave24]

I don't fukk with church or Christianity...shyt is strange to me.

I don't know how a group of non-Jews...can believe so much in a Jewish story and a Jewish god. As a Black person, Christianity has nothing to do with me.


I really don't like Abrahamic religions...they are unrealistic...

If there really is a benevolent god out there...then he doesn't love Black people.

Just imagine our ancestors on the Middle Passage...on top of each other in the bowels of the ship. Chained up, stinking. Just think of the wails of our ancestors in various African languages. Just think of watching another Black person, chained up to you die.

How the fukk could any Black person believe there is a god..any kind of god, after that shyt?

And it doesn't stop there...

Then you go on the plantation. Being forced to have sex with the Black woman to produce a child. Can you imagine...being forced to rape a Black woman, in front of the White man, so you can make a baby for him to sell? The White man is raping you both.

Then once you get "free". You are being lynched...but not just lynched in secret...Your death is a public event. They put your death on postcards. They keep your penis as souvenirs.

And look at us now...getting shot down in the streets and White people just being complicit in our murder. News stations putting our deaths on a 24/7 newscycle. fukking "activists" getting millions of dollars. fukking President is Black and a coward. Young Black men killing each other in the streets because they are so disenfranchised, they have to fight over drug turf. Black women having to abort their babies at an alarming rate because we are so financially strapped that the economy booming and busting makes no difference for us.


So I don't know how any Black person believe in a benevolent loving god. I don't know how any Black person can believe in a Hell or a Savior or a Messenger.

You gotta be fukking crazy or delusional.

There is no god that loves Black people. If there was, we wouldn't be going through this shyt in the USA...

Now just think about the African race as whole...just think about the conditions of Black people in India, Africa, South Asia and South America...

Where is god...where is the savior...

There ain't one.

@Drinky Crow

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@MMS

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@Wildhundreds

 

[MMS]

@Drinky Crow

@010101

@MMS

what you believe is what you believe. Notice the quote in this post. Its as if the same daemon is always tormenting black people for some reason @Nkrumah Was Right

you said I should worship the God of my ancestors

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/serious-topic-why-does-god-allow-satan-demons-to-roam-the-earth-and-mess-with-humans.958909/page-4#post-48372557

 

[010101]

@Drinky Crow

@010101

@MMS

@Kenny West

@Wildhundreds

all religion/spirituality/superstition is a product of the human imagination*

 

[Dave24]

what you believe is what you believe. Notice the quote in this post. Its as if the same daemon is always tormenting black people for some reason @Nkrumah Was Right

you said I should worship the God of my ancestors

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/serious-topic-why-does-god-allow-satan-demons-to-roam-the-earth-and-mess-with-humans.958909/page-4#post-48372557

@MMS what about other races/ethnicities that are tormented?