Attention:Old Heads

[Poh SIti Dawn]

So, I was born in 91 and throughout my life I've always been intune with West Coast Hip Hop and East Coat Hip Hop as well. First tape I owned was Westside Connections tape (LOL a child should not be bumping that) and as I've gotten older I've started to understand why those that are highly respected in the genre are because of what they brought to the table, but it's taken me a while to understand why they're viewed as they are.

My question for the older members are when you heard OB4CL and Enter The 36 Chambers, and all of the other albums, did you guys say "wow these guys are going to be hall of famers" or did you just go with the flow, give the MC props and then as time progressed started to view them as some of the greats?

And if so why, do you believe that since the foundation has already been laid and those who are greats have been acknowledged, that my generation is so in search for MCs to represent us as a generation and how we were growing up that we're quick to either deny the presence of an mc of today simply because we have the ability too look back and view your greats of the time and say "that's how I want my generation to be represented"?

And if so, do you think that's holding hip hop back from progressing because we're constantly looking for something that's not there and will never be there again? An example being Joey Badass and other MCs and fans who refuse to respect the present time MC and the progress in hip hop that should come along with the time? Is saying "today's hip hop sucks" just a sign of ones failure to adjust with the times and move forward?

 

[HowardHughes]

Did not read

 

[Chief]

So, I was born in 91 and throughout my life I've always been intune with West Coast Hip Hop and East Coat Hip Hop as well. First tape I owned was Westside Connections tape (LOL a child should not be bumping that) and as I've gotten older I've started to understand why those that are highly respected in the genre are because of what they brought to the table, but it's taken me a while to understand why they're viewed as they are. My question for the older members are when you heard OB4CL and Enter The 36 Chambers, and all of the other albums, did you guys say "wow these guys are going to be hall of famers" or did you just go with the flow, give the MC props and then as time progressed started to view them as some of the greats? And if so why, do you believe that since the foundation has already been laid and those who are greats have been acknowledged, that my generation is so in search for MCs to represent us as a generation and how we were growing up that we're quick to either deny the presence of an mc of today simply because we have the ability too look back and view your greats of the time and say "that's how I want my generation to be represented"? And if so, do you think that's holding hip hop back from progressing because we're constantly looking for something that's not there and will never be there again? An example being Joey Badass and other MCs and fans who refuse to respect the present time MC and the progress in hip hop that should come along with the time? Is saying "today's hip hop sucks" just a sign of ones failure to adjust with the times and move forward?

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[JuvenileHell]

Very original and groundbreaking thread

Besides, the bar is set low....veeeeerrrrryyyy low now. If you can't see that, then you're blind.

 

[Tom Foolery]

Attention:Young Head

Learn how to write paragraphs and sentences.

 

[avon barksdale]

youngin..we had steak and potatoes in the 90's now its Bologna and noodles.

 

[The Dust King]

So, I was born in 91 and throughout my life I've always been intune with West Coast Hip Hop and East Coat Hip Hop as well. First tape I owned was Westside Connections tape (LOL a child should not be bumping that) and as I've gotten older I've started to understand why those that are highly respected in the genre are because of what they brought to the table, but it's taken me a while to understand why they're viewed as they are. My question for the older members are when you heard OB4CL and Enter The 36 Chambers, and all of the other albums, did you guys say "wow these guys are going to be hall of famers" or did you just go with the flow, give the MC props and then as time progressed started to view them as some of the greats? And if so why, do you believe that since the foundation has already been laid and those who are greats have been acknowledged, that my generation is so in search for MCs to represent us as a generation and how we were growing up that we're quick to either deny the presence of an mc of today simply because we have the ability too look back and view your greats of the time and say "that's how I want my generation to be represented"? And if so, do you think that's holding hip hop back from progressing because we're constantly looking for something that's not there and will never be there again? An example being Joey Badass and other MCs and fans who refuse to respect the present time MC and the progress in hip hop that should come along with the time? Is saying "today's hip hop sucks" just a sign of ones failure to adjust with the times and move forward?

great thread. to build on what the trolls above were getting at is to please space your thoughts out in paragraph format.

anyways yes. time is the teller of all. I just replied to that harlem world vs vol 1 thread and I said mase debut aged horribly for me. I haven't listened to it since maybe 98.

sometimes something is ahead of its time an you know it. much of nas and wu-tang and AZs material was like that. I knew S.O.S.A., IAM and the W were classics out the gate.

this generation unfortunately hasn't produced anything classic IMO. well at least anything I think id listen to in years. I got a kick out of joey bada$$ but even his material beyond a couple of songs became mundane.

I enjoy action bronson but he isn't part of the new generation being he's 27/28. I mean he's closer to my age. his rare chandeier tape is something I might bump in years to come.

the difference between then and now was that the lane was bigger. many different type of artists were nurtured and you had hustlers coming into the game.

now there's no artists and its mostly hustlers. all for the buck and no art. for every dope wayne or nicki minaj verse I hear 10 wack songs by them. another thing is artists have no mystique, the net and social media casts spotlights and reveals everything.

back then we let the music talk, if you knw something it was most likely thru listening to the artist say it on a record. we were ten times more attentive and creative just based on that aspect alone.

I myself am surrounded by a new generation (ages 16-22) and I am shocked at how they have already surpassed the generation before them. a lot of them skipped over the ross and wayne and gravitated towards older material. so not all hope is lost.

then again these same kids love asap, drake and kanye so it is what it is. in the next ten years we will realize that those 80s/90s artists are even greater than we thought. you can't relive a generation, we came from a lawless era.

 

[untaintedbeats]

When Nas came out it was noticable after illmatic dropped that cats stepped up their lyrics to keep up...I'm from staten and heard protect ya neck before most ppl did and I remember thinking " yo even if these cats wasn't from staten I ll rock this..this is crazy..."

I think the thing was from what I've read and from what I know is cats was motivating each other...tribe wohld peep de la sessions and be like we gotta come better and vice versa..illmatic made mobb deep wanna make a great album..infamous features two tracks with raekwon and one with ghost...those sessions made them wanna make a great album and influnced OB4CL and so on and so on...

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I was too in the moment in like 94-95 to think so far down the road to think about things like all time greats to be honest with you.

but damn, Joey is definitely doing something right because he's making a lot of these new school garbage ass rappers uncomfortable and insecure...people hearing that 90's vibe and getting nervous as fukk...and it's not even clear that he's the nicest one out of his crew

 

[untaintedbeats]

I was too in the moment in like 94-95 to think so far down the road to think about things like all time greats to be honest with you.

but damn, Joey is definitely doing something right because he's making a lot of these new school garbage ass rappers uncomfortable and insecure...people hearing that 90's vibe and getting nervous as fukk...and it's not even clear that he's the nicest one out of his crew

Co sign..

 

[untaintedbeats]

Yo I gotta add that when u listen too these cats like Nas .Wu..etc...u can tell they all had dna from the previous golden era...they took notes and improved or updated some things but kept that sprit alive...I see a cat like joey bada$$ and pro era doing that...there was a young cat named nero a couple of years ago I thought was gonna open that lane but haven't hearrd from him him in a minute...

 

[Brayden]

Back in 93-94 there was no internet and my only income was a few dollars here and there from whatever, so I could only buy a new album like every 3 or 4 weeks. I didn't know some of those albums were going to end up as a classics, but I did know they were really dope. Back then I cherished each purchase, learned all the lyrics, read through the cd booklet, etc, since I wasn't going to get a new one for a while. I was mad as fukk when I bought a shytty album though . Nowadays I can download a new album whenever I want, so its not quite the same.

 

[blackslash]

Very original and groundbreaking thread

Besides, the bar is set low....veeeeerrrrryyyy low now. If you can't see that, then you're blind.

nikka compared to what?

The 70's

the 80's

90's?? arguable

early 2000's?

Mid 2000's?

nikka fck up with ya bandwagon olhead opinion having ass

 

[kingdizzy01]

we like skills, delivery, flow, etc. and beats we can nod to. todays shyt is more concerned about getting spins, lookin all cute and shyt, repeating the same shyt over and over, and stuntin, over beats that basically sound the same (techno shyt over 808s, or straight jackin 90's instrumentals on some 'homage' shyt). like someone else said. we had steak and potatoes and yall got bologna and ramen noodles. this generation hypes up songs that nobody will care about after a week or month. its kinda like getting hype over mcdonalds droppin the mcrib.

we didnt focus on sales and for the most part, didnt rely on pop culture to tell us what was hot.

 

[blackslash]

I was too in the moment in like 94-95 to think so far down the road to think about things like all time greats to be honest with you.

but damn, Joey is definitely doing something right because he's making a lot of these new school garbage ass rappers uncomfortable and insecure...people hearing that 90's vibe and getting nervous as fukk...and it's not even clear that he's the nicest one out of his crew

U think nikkaz is actually worried bout that teenager