B-Real: 'Insane in the Brain' was a Kid Frost & Chubb Rock Diss, Vlad was in the Video

[old boy]

Bruh, I’ve never heard of these guys!

who’s the first cat?

that's red hot lover tone who was the worst grand puba biter in the game lol. he dropped the red hot lover and just kept it at tone, quit rapping (thank god!), and became one of the illest commercial urban music producers in the game as tone and poke of trackmasters. check him at 1:05 and on with ya boy kellz and nas the don


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you can also hear him talking at the beginning of shawty by hov and kellz off best of both worlds

 

[old boy]

For every jam Chubbster gave us there are 5 songs like this:



and this:

lol yeah chubb has had some clunkers, especially on and the winner is... jesus christ, but he's had some crack too. and the one was a dope ass album.... but wack lyricist? jesus christ b that's egregious, he was incredible but hit or miss with entire projects and obviously, with some of his musical choices hahaha. i'm dying someone is as flabby as me on this board and actually remembered these records to post them. red alert played them a few times and it was like, wtf?!? chillllllllllllll

 

[old boy]

1:46 mark is why they dissed Chubb Rock, to B-Real he mockingly used their cadence on How I Can Just Kill A Man, and instead of "time for some action" he says "time for some lyrics". But I don't think he was dissing them.

nah it was definitely a dis my G. "humminnnn... cummin' atchaaaaaa... and i gotta WHAT ya?"

"time for some LYRICS!"



chubb was coming at the term "gat ya" like what does that shyt even mean. isn't gat a gun, and why is gat being used at a verb here? also, chubb was on this anti-gangsta tip so that could have contributed to the line too, but of course he'll go at west coast nikkas and leave nikkas like biggie be which is what irritated ot nikkas about us

 

[FreshAIG]

Wow... I really missed some wild-ass, cap-ass threads... the revisionism is NUTS...

Chubb was dope... but the hype train goin' on in the thread is some other shyt. In real time, fukk all this talk about "bars" and "superior lyricism" and all that, Cypress Hill definitely had a stronger vibe in the early part of their run than some of y'all are on here claiming. Y'all who are saying they were just some pop group that made stoner cac shyt... YOU nikkaS WERE LATE. Because before that happened, that first Cypress album was a street level smash first and foremost. The MTV crew got on board with "Insane In The Brain" and all that, that's later down the line.

And this is not to discount Chubb, because he definitely scored his hits, made dope shyt... but this shyt like he was one of the elite is some fantasy talk. That didn't happen.

The Biggie comparisons are weird AF too- because the only similarities they have are being from Brooklyn and being fat. Outside of that, I have never heard any comparisons between BIG and Chubb except here.

And Kid Frost... come on now...

Lil Fame is the first person I’ve seen compare Biggie to Chubb Rock, but he knew Biggie prior to his stardom, and he said he used to sound like him when he was first rapping.

 

[FreshAIG]

nah it was definitely a dis my G. "humminnnn... cummin' atchaaaaaa... and i gotta WHAT ya?"

"time for some LYRICS!"



chubb was coming at the term "gat ya" like what does that shyt even mean. isn't gat a gun, and why is gat being used at a verb here? also, chubb was on this anti-gangsta tip so that could have contributed to the line too, but of course he'll go at west coast nikkas and leave nikkas like biggie be which is what irritated ot nikkas about us

Definitely could’ve been that. And NY rappers and media outlets definitely practiced elitism and hypocrisy

The irony of Chubb Rock being anti-gangster rap even though his dancer Hot Dog had a gun on him in the Treat Em Right video will never be lost on me.

 

[FreshAIG]

Bruh, I’ve never heard of these guys!

who’s the first cat?

First guy is Red Hot Lover Tone bka Tone from the Trackmasters. He produced a lot of Chubb Rock's early 90s stuff before they blew up in the mid 90s. The other nikka is Rob Swinga from the rap group ATEEM with Hot Dog (Chubb Rock's dancer) and FM. Trackmasters used to be their producers too.

Hot Dog is on Black Sheep's first album on the song "Pass the 40" and unquestionably has the worst verse in Hip Hop history imo.

 

[hex]

I’m late to this thread but GOOD MOTHERfukkING LORD what happened to hip hop discourse on this site and what is this historical revision????

And some of you cats who initially went along with this insanity damn sure know better.

Cats said Kid Frost was >>>> than a group with a classic HOOD album (before they rode the prep school stoner wave) helmed by a legendary producer who birthed Alchemist and is still working with cutting edge talents!!!!! Kid Frost is a low key racist with a gimmicky Mexican anthem (which I like).

Then, on some bizarre Black Excellence mixed with nostalgia nonsense, cats said Chubb Rock’s corny ass was more significant to the culture than a group with.... see above.

I’m from Harlem and grew up in the so-called Golden Age, with a famous rapper as my blood relative. Treat Em Right was a very cool part jam, but GTFOH with the Chubbster and his hip house party trash albums. Yabba Dabba Doo was fukkin trash and a beat bite. He made mad embarrassing music and was a fat ivy league dork. You new nikkas be playing doofy faux militant politics, and you older nikkas def done lost your minds trying to pander to doofuses.

HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHA @ Chubbster having mad songs better than the best Cypress song. On no fukkin planet ever, lame nikkas. In the words of Cube (when he was still on the level): “I leave that to the brothers with the funny haircuts.”

Wow... I really missed some wild-ass, cap-ass threads... the revisionism is NUTS...

Chubb was dope... but the hype train goin' on in the thread is some other shyt. In real time, fukk all this talk about "bars" and "superior lyricism" and all that, Cypress Hill definitely had a stronger vibe in the early part of their run than some of y'all are on here claiming. Y'all who are saying they were just some pop group that made stoner cac shyt... YOU nikkaS WERE LATE. Because before that happened, that first Cypress album was a street level smash first and foremost. The MTV crew got on board with "Insane In The Brain" and all that, that's later down the line.

And this is not to discount Chubb, because he definitely scored his hits, made dope shyt... but this shyt like he was one of the elite is some fantasy talk. That didn't happen.

The Biggie comparisons are weird AF too- because the only similarities they have are being from Brooklyn and being fat. Outside of that, I have never heard any comparisons between BIG and Chubb except here.

And Kid Frost... come on now...

Thank you.

The Booth is full of people that get their hip-hop history from Wiki, Youtube and Google. Half the cats on this board wasn't even alive in 1991, and a decent chunk that were alive wasn't outside like that.

Fred.

 

[NormanConnors]

The Booth is some fukkin weirdos, Cypress Hill Is fukkin legends, Their First 4 Albums can hang with anybody, Elephant's On Acid is one of last year's best album and Soul Assassin's still one of the dopest crews in hip hop

Yeah because of Muggs, Temples of Boom was their apex/best release imo. Listening to B Real for an entire album was a chore then and now. Cats on here like to talk about certain emcees being wack, unlistenable and etc, like U God for instance when he clearly washed B real on Killa Hill nikkas (got rza too) and showed the disparity between the two. Cypress Hill fell off trying to do that rock shyt like other artist that used hip hop as a stepping stone for their own benefit.

 

[Awesome Wells]

that's red hot lover tone who was the worst grand puba biter in the game lol. he dropped the red hot lover and just kept it at tone, quit rapping (thank god!), and became one of the illest commercial urban music producers in the game as tone and poke of trackmasters. check him at 1:05 and on with ya boy kellz and nas the don

you can also hear him talking at the beginning of shawty by hov and kellz off best of both worlds

LOL!! Tone is my dude.

He was never that great of an MC, but his first couple of albums had really dope production, so I always played his shyt. A lot of Diamond D and Buckwild beats. He knew everybody, so he was able to get M.O.P., Kane, Organized Konfusion and B.I.G. on tracks with him. Not sure he really took rapping seriously. He was rapping and still producing dudes like G Rap and Biggie at the same time, so I always saw him as more of a producer because his rhymes were always more on the comical side.

 

[DANJ!]

Thank you.

The Booth is full of people that get their hip-hop history from Wiki, Youtube and Google. Half the cats on this board wasn't even alive in 1991, and a decent chunk that were alive wasn't outside like that.

Fred.

The absurdity was becoming excessive with every page

Chubb was never a "gotta get his whole album" kinda guy, respectfully... and I fukked with his hits, but we ain't about to act like "How I Could Just Kill A Man", "Hand On The Pump", etc. didn't happen. One of the West Coast acts at the time that made big impact on both the West AND East Coast out the box.

This is for La Raza... nikkas really said Kid Frost > B-Real...

 

[nightpupil]

I don't know who the fukk was outside in fukking 91..lol cus nikka only old ass motherfukkers in they 50 probably.

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

1:46 mark is why they dissed Chubb Rock, to B-Real he mockingly used their cadence on How I Can Just Kill A Man, and instead of "time for some action" he says "time for some lyrics". But I don't think he was dissing them.

Breh I forgot how dope Chubb Rock was.

I wonder if he paid Prince Paul in 2020

 

[NormanConnors]

The absurdity was becoming excessive with every page

Chubb was never a "gotta get his whole album" kinda guy, respectfully... and I fukked with his hits, but we ain't about to act like "How I Could Just Kill A Man", "Hand On The Pump", etc. didn't happen. One of the West Coast acts at the time that made big impact on both the West AND East Coast out the box.

This is for La Raza... nikkas really said Kid Frost > B-Real...

Man, can you honestly say cats were checking for Cypress because of B Real? It was all image(smokin' and etc) and production.

Yeah Chubb may have been inconsistent album wise but in the 90's breh was a high caliber/versatile emcee. Crooklyn Dodgers > kill a man and hand on the pump


I do actually think he meant to diss Cypress, but he had no problem mentioning names, breh even sent jabs at Cube.

 

[FreshAIG]

LOL!! Tone is my dude.

He was never that great of an MC, but his first couple of albums had really dope production, so I always played his shyt. A lot of Diamond D and Buckwild beats. He knew everybody, so he was able to get M.O.P., Kane, Organized Konfusion and B.I.G. on tracks with him. Not sure he really took rapping seriously. He was rapping and still producing dudes like G Rap and Biggie at the same time, so I always saw him as more of a producer because his rhymes were always more on the comical side.

Tone used to always have those "jokes on a candy wrapper" type punchlines lol.

 

[FreshAIG]

Man, can you honestly say cats were checking for Cypress because of B Real? It was all image(smokin' and etc) and production.

Yeah Chubb may have been inconsistent album wise but in the 90's breh was a high caliber/versatile emcee. Crooklyn Dodgers > kill a man and hand on the pump


I do actually think he meant to diss Cypress, but he had no problem mentioning names, breh even sent jabs at Cube.

I'm in the middle of this argument. I like B Real more than the average person on this board seems to, but not as much as people who are fans of his seem to rock with him. I think Cypress Hill first two albums are both bangers, especially the second project. I think B Real is a solid MC, but definitely an acquired taste. Chubb Rock is clearly more skilled.