Back in the 90’s did black men create the monster that we’re fighting now by lying to all black women about them being queens

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Not one lie told. You seem to be a person that, much like me, embraced the 90s in a way that you can re-paint the picture with a balanced analysis, for both the good and bad. And lets be real, the atmosphere is 1990s America was as good as we've had it in our lifetimes because of that balanced output we received from that decade's popular culture.

Not that I'm in any way surprised, you're a fantastic poster through and through.

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Yep yep! In spite of the fukkery, I actually loved growing up in the 90s.

Going on long school field trips and them group sing alongs on the bus.

Whatchu know about that Crucial Conflict…whole bus fulla country ass kids was rapping word for word
“Smoking on HAAAAAAYYYY in the middle of the barn!”

Yeah somewhere along the way we lost that balance. People can’t walk and chew gum anymore and started taking entertainers WAAAAAY too seriously. Early on I remember we used to clown “thugs-a-bees” and rachet culture when people leaned too heavily into it. We used to call em “super-seniors” if they weren’t graduating or didn’t have anything to do after high school. Somewhere that shifted to everybody trying to be “street” or “hood”. For a lotta kids it stopped being entertainment and became a lifestyle. :wow:
 

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Kool and you can't tell me how I saw things in the 90s as a whole.

Your experience don't equate to someone who was around it throughout the 90s.
I literally grew up in the 90s. So I know what it was as a whole as well. If you had different experiences, then great. Doesn’t invalidate anything I said that others also agreed with. You were just different. Peace
 

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Well I’m from Brooklyn & in a time where you actually had to approach women to get the number. I don’t recall cats randomly being on some “Yo bytch let me holla, yo scallywag what’s up, bald headed hoe I like ya ceaser 😀”, not men that actually bagged women.
Now ‘shorty’, ‘Ma’, & shyt like that yes. Not to say sisters never got called out their name but most could give it as well as they took it. Most of what you listed I’ve never heard women called that outside of confrontation, in which case, of course the gloves are off or maybe in a barbershop setting. Hairhatted hooligan?! Most women wasn’t even rocking weaves like that in the 90s( braids yes). Go look at ‘Ice Cream” by Raekwon & count the weaves.

Folks in here making it as if 90% of black men were on this time when if fact it was a small %, usually as I stated those dudes who were under the poverty lines trying to do their thing with a woman out of their league in most cases. Most cases it was not the case, this was some shyt you saw on the "movie" or heard in a rap song. This was not everyday life as these 2-3 folks are trying to project it as.

Most black women talk down on their own black women. Black women call each other "bytch" smh, best friend at that in good times and bad times but wanna blame black men?? Stop that.

Black men did not create this monster, other black women/gay black men along with white women/men with their push in the media created this so call new person who we see today.

Black women did not use to act like this. But the men who these women want, are calling it out or just not dealing with them and now folks are trying to find something to latch on to give reason on why shyt is fukked up for them.
 

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if anything created a monster it's social media, onlyfans, and simps. It's a lethal combination. A woman can only avoid so much delusion when a dude is out here offering her $100 for feet pics
 

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I'm from the dirty south and from one of the most cut throat cities on the planet and that was not the talk down here or any other place I visited in the south. (Boys) trying to be gangsta is not the same as cussing grown ass women out and calling every black woman they come into presence with the b word. That did not happen like you are projecting by most black men.

Did they have some goofy (boy) since you were probably 8-9 in 90s who tried to talk goofy at your school, (at recess) yes, I can give you that but to paint the picture like 80-90% of black boys and men did this on a daily basis, this nonsense in the 90s and 2000s is not true. That shyt was definitely not the standard amongst well educated black men and women.

Old folks wouldn't let you walk around talking like that, especially in their house or in their presence


You mentioned Freak Nik as if that was something to hang your hat on, let me let you know, there were many parties, college parties, Kappa Beach, Bayou Classic, Heritage Bowl, Mardi Gras, Teen Summits, etc. I can go on where black folks gathered and had fun and 90-95% of the black men were not on some fukk you how stance, everybody had fun, you had your non college folks who would attend and you had your folks who definitely did not belong there and that's where you may can stand on your stance with that small group that were there. That's a small group and even that group even they knew that folks were all about having fun, they fitted right on in with everyone else.

All what you are talking about, most came from movies you watched.

You said black women don't run anything, let me ask you this, who were on your TV screens, day time talk show in the 90s? More women and white men??

What magazines were popular in the black household in the 90s, ? And who did those magazines cater too, what demographic?? Whose editing and writing the articles??
Please miss me with that. To find out who pushed the colorism, answer those questions truthfully.

Black men were not pushing none of that shyt.

In the 90s shyt was not bad like how you are trying to make it out to be. Please stop with the movie talk

I lived it
I lived it and you are lying your ass off in this thread.
 

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The bold..

Considering how the church operates now vs back then. Do you think that moment in time was the pivot point to where we are in the church now, where its basically anything goes? And im not saying the church had a point in time where it was perfect because i know the history of the church very well. But that balance you talked about is completely gone now and the church is just a shyt show now.
It’s hard to put a finger on it. This is shyt that has kept me up at night.
There was a CLEAR shift from the 90s to the 2000s in terms of black culture.

The church was certainly apart of it. But it’s bigger than that. I think we as a people sold out. That’s the only thing I can pinpoint. As I described in other posts, there was REAL grimey shyt going down in this era! shyt that would get u “canceled” with a quickness in this era.
But there was also a huge sense of black cultural essence that also existed as well that spawned so many positive elements that buffered us against the fukkery.

As we transitioned to the 2000s, people became preoccupied with fitting into white mainstream culture and other cultures or allowing them to have access to our culture. I call it the “special snowflake” era. In a lotta ways, we were so good at gatekeeping “black culture” in the 90s that we ended up alienating a lotta blacks if they didn’t conform to very narrow definitions of “blackness”.

It spawned a generation of blacks who felt resentful that they didn’t fit in, so they were hell bent on proving to blacks within their community that they weren’t “typically like those other blks”. That was one form of selling out. Others started chasing white dollars in various industries and the success they got made them disdainful of doing business in our own community, as we have outside forces that can make it more difficult when doing for your own.

A lot went down but we became more disjointed through the years. Changes in schools and gentrification impacted this too.s
 

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It’s hard to put a finger on it. This is shyt that has kept me up at night.
There was a CLEAR shift from the 90s to the 2000s in terms of black culture.

The church was certainly apart of it. But it’s bigger than that. I think we as a people sold out. That’s the only thing I can pinpoint. As I described in other posts, there was REAL grimey shyt going down in this era! shyt that would get u “canceled” with a quickness in this era.
But there was also a huge sense of black cultural essence that also existed as well that spawned so many positive elements that buffered us against the fukkery.

As we transitioned to the 2000s, people became preoccupied with fitting into white mainstream culture and other cultures or allowing them to have access to our culture. I call it the “special snowflake” era. In a lotta ways, we were so good at gatekeeping “black culture” in the 90s that we ended up alienating a lotta blacks if they didn’t conform to very narrow definitions of “blackness”.

It spawned a generation of blacks who felt resentful that they didn’t fit in, so they were hell bent on proving to blacks within their community that they weren’t “typically like those other blks”. That was one form of selling out. Others started chasing white dollars in various industries and the success they got made them disdainful of doing business in our own community, as we have outside forces that can make it more difficult when doing for your own.

A lot went down but we became more disjointed through the years. Changes in schools and gentrification impacted this too.s

Consider this.. Im not implying nothing is new here, but when NWA and Too Live Crew went to congress to get censorship lifted. So they can call women bytches and h0es and I wanna kill nikkas. Its been a downhill slide since then.
 
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