Backspin: What did you take from "Scarface"?

[Taadow]

This.

His debut album is a cautionary tale about the dangers of that life. It ends with him turning to religion, finding god, and becoming a better person. If someone gets gangster rapper from that, then they missed the point. Thats like the way a lot of guys idolize Tony Montana when Scarface is supposed to be a tragic story about ambition turning into greed and destroying you.

While I see what he's saying, that wasn't what I left Scarface with...

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To me, Tony Montana's downfall was that as morally corrupt as he was, he did drawn the line somewhere...family.

He was trying to keep every nicca in Miami off his sister to the point where he had to pop Manolo off GP. That put him deeper in his own supply, you know that fucced wit' him.

And if he popped that informant with his kids in the car, Sosa doesn't send a million niccas on his property...but he couldn't do it.

Basically, you gotta be a ruthless muffucca in that life to be a kingpin and he wasn't 100. There's always gonna be somebody who goes harder than you if you ain't 100.

What about you?

 

[JuvenileHell]

You make a fair point. Sosa pretty much sent an army at Tony and fukked him up because Tony couldn't go through with the hit, and was dumb enough to pop off at fukking Sosa. If Tony was 100%, he wouldn't have ended up in that position.

But you can't deny that the whole deal about ambition and greed corrupting you was a big part of the story. Tony was alienated from his mother, and his mother blamed him for his sister becoming more and more wreckless like Tony. Plus, Tony was arrogant enough to talk shyt to Sosa and wage war with him. Power and greed workin it's demonic magic right there.

 

[YourSavior]

Exactly.... Scarface was too soft at the end of the day, should of bodied that family and never should of shot Monolo. You gotta charge it to the game.
Love Sosa.

 

[Taadow]

^I agree, it was a major part of the story.

However, the dope game is full of greedy, ambitious people...and they seem to be doing fine. Those ones are the ones who are all in and won't hit the pause button like Tony did.

 

[Taadow]

You make a fair point. Sosa pretty much sent an army at Tony and fukked him up because Tony couldn't go through with the hit, and was dumb enough to pop off at fukking Sosa. If Tony was 100%, he wouldn't have ended up in that position.

But you can't deny that the whole deal about ambition and greed corrupting you was a big part of the story. Tony was alienated from his mother, and his mother blamed him for his sister becoming more and more wreckless like Tony. Plus, Tony was arrogant enough to talk shyt to Sosa and wage war with him. Power and greed workin it's demonic magic right there.

I don't know if can wholly agree with that - because Tony started out ambitious and greedy! It's not like it's something that
happened progressively or anything. That's just the kinda dude he was.

Say if somehow he lived after getting shot that many times (lmao)...I don't think he would've learned his lesson about
being "ambitious" or "greedy"...

 

[re'up]

I legit loved 'Scarface' as a kid, I had that 25th year anniversary edition, the new soundtrack…Plus, I was in 11th grade and knee deep in the powder, hustling and using, so it resonated deeply with me…along with movies like 'Requiem For a Dream'….watching it now is a little embarrassing, Pacino's performance is SO over the top, and the flaws are evident throughout, from overacted roles, bad editing, poor pacing…..it is forever an iconic movie, with at least a few scenes I still love, but it's an overblown spectacle, as guilty of the the excess and bloated ambition as Tony Montana himself….

it's a bad movie….with a great score and soundtrack, some fantastic scenes….but, it's a mess. As far as Tony Montana as a character, it's not that he wasn't tough enough, he was just a fukk up from the beginning, someone you would never want to work with. Impulsive, reckless, shortsighted…Tony is the definition of a sicario becoming a boss, and making a mess of the organization….

 

[The Ruler 09]

Lol someone said I reminded them of Scarface personality wise once, I didn't know how to take that, but then they said the scene where he says "don't fukk with me" and shot the guy in the head for trying to kill the baby and woman so then I got what he meant.

In regards to Scarface, I always had the same opinion, it's a film I think is good and interesting but Tony let shyt get to his head and became kind of an a$$hole and in the end it was his downfall. He had heart, he had courage, but he fukked himself up with the drugs and shyt, I never idolized that at all or wanted to be that, I thought he was kind of stupid in the end, he was good financially, he didn't have to be so reckless. Also killing Monolo, that shyt is dumb as fukk, that's your man from day, and you gonna KILL him cause he's marrying your sister? He let the shyt fukk him up, I never understood why people would idolize that shyt and kind of ignore or glorify how he died at a very young age in a brutal way..

He basically took the L, in many ways, killed his best friend, got murdered, lost the war, all unnecessarily.

I think Godfather 2 is a better film anyway...

Edit: And yes, I always looked at it as a cautionary tale, not a glorification...

 

[Young/Nacho\Drawz]

The album goes in a few directions at once. I picks up from where the song scarface leaves off at, it is a complete story based off of several smaller stories. Meaning the album itself comprises a story and each song is a individual story as well. It deals with mental illness and the lifestyle of a drug dealer, killer, gangster all at the same time while playing off of the movie scarface. From a writer's standpoint t's a literary masterpiece.

 

[Stay Seeking]

Scarface is about the American Dream, and the perspective that many Cubans saw when they got here. Tony Montana wasn't soft, he was just ULTRA REAL and became disenchanted because everyone around him was as real as him. Love killed Tony. If you take away anything from Scarface, the "you need people like me" scene was the premise of the movie.

His wife, his sister, even his mans all turned on him and wasn't being real with him and that was the core of Tony's strength, when he lost everything it's not that he couldn't kill Sosa, it was he had no reason to. If he took out Sosa's men he had no reason to live because he was all about family and they were all dead or left him. So he got coked up and killed himself, disenchanted by the illusion of the American Dream that destroyed his family.

 

[sun raw]

I don't know if can wholly agree with that - because Tony started out ambitious and greedy! It's not like it's something that
happened progressively or anything. That's just the kinda dude he was.

Say if somehow he lived after getting shot that many times (lmao)...I don't think he would've learned his lesson about
being "ambitious" or "greedy"...

yeah he was always about just grabbing whatever he could and fukk everyone else, he just happened to end up in an environment that encouraged that sort of behavior

like he fights against castro and communism in the beginning not out of some political alliance but because he wants to be rich and on top

the movie just takes the idea of america as the land of opportunity and perverts it (or maybe takes it to its logical conclusion): tony wants the american dream and he doesn't want to wait for it, he wants it now

it sees america as this corrupt landscape but at the same time it doesn't really shy away from showing just how cool that corruption can be, i think it's just really honest about the appeal of that sort of lifestyle, it's all about the high, about the rush, about pushing it to the limit and tony's death is part of that appeal, in a way

it's a character who takes a shortcut to success, it's a fantasy to people

 

[I love Latina women]

not a damn thing
this movie is one of the greatest unintentional comedies of all time

oliver stone wrote some good dialogue for the movie but it's a bad movie ain't nothin' complex bout it

 

[Taadow]

yeah he was always about just grabbing whatever he could and fukk everyone else, he just happened to end up in an environment that encouraged that sort of behavior

like he fights against castro and communism in the beginning not out of some political alliance but because he wants to be rich and on top

the movie just takes the idea of america as the land of opportunity and perverts it (or maybe takes it to its logical conclusion): tony wants the american dream and he doesn't want to wait for it, he wants it now

it sees america as this corrupt landscape but at the same time it doesn't really shy away from showing just how cool that corruption can be, i think it's just really honest about the appeal of that sort of lifestyle, it's all about the high, about the rush, about pushing it to the limit and tony's death is part of that appeal, in a way

it's a character who takes a shortcut to success, it's a fantasy to people

Yeah, I agree totally.

It's like Tony became a kingpin in 2 weeks. It's an underdog story in a way, and people like that kind of story
so I guess they don't mind suspending their disbelief here.

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

My og told me, the point of scarface... is that the people that want the world crash and burn.. doing too much will get you got

 

[Animal House]

You make a fair point. Sosa pretty much sent an army at Tony and fukked him up because Tony couldn't go through with the hit, and was dumb enough to pop off at fukking Sosa. If Tony was 100%, he wouldn't have ended up in that position.

But you can't deny that the whole deal about ambition and greed corrupting you was a big part of the story. Tony was alienated from his mother, and his mother blamed him for his sister becoming more and more wreckless like Tony. Plus, Tony was arrogant enough to talk shyt to Sosa and wage war with him. Power and greed workin it's demonic magic right there.

Negative breh Tony ended where he was because of his morals. No diss but I think u should watch it again

 

[FeloniousMonk]

Movie was about politics, pushing adgendas and social engineering...you all overlook that.

Took me like 5 time's to watch. What made the diff was in the bigger realm, Sosa had made the deal bout killing the journalist in return Sosa would use his government connects to get Tony off racketeering charges, he used Tony..knowing if it came down to it..he was expendable.

Tony was a convict murderer from Cuba of many that got kicked out by Fidel and sought "asylum" in the u.s. as a "political refugee".

All the violence and extra b.s. was his attitude.

The character who is the antagonist is one of many immigrants story of wanting to make it America.