Barkley: LeBron better than Jordan?

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like i said bulls really had the only super team, and in an era where there werent any kobes, dwades, tmacs, etc.. in their prime. thats a big advantage when your best player never has to guard anyone, or when he does theyre always much smaller and not as athletic. the only big man that was a dominant enough scorer to make them pay for being weak at center was olajuwon, but they never met up.

I will always wonder how a Bulls/Rockets finals would have ended considering the only great center they faced was young Shaq who was 1-1 against them.
 

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like i said bulls really had the only super team, and in an era where there werent any kobes, dwades, tmacs, etc.. in their prime. thats a big advantage when your best player never has to guard anyone, or when he does theyre always much smaller and not as athletic. the only big man that was a dominant enough scorer to make them pay for being weak at center was olajuwon, but they never met up.

What super team?

Are you forgetting back then the NBA had REAL BIG MEN patrolling the paint who had a bigger affect on the outcome of a game than the perimeter players you just named

Ewing
Robinson
Dream
Daughtery
Shaq
Smits
Zo
Dikembe (Defensively)
 

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I will always wonder how a Bulls/Rockets finals would have ended considering the only great center they faced was young Shaq who was 1-1 against them.

your disrespect of Pat Ewing is mind boggling seriously.

I know i know Akeem killed him in the garden in 88, and he shot to many jumpers for your taste.
 

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What super team?

Are you forgetting back then the NBA had REAL BIG MEN patrolling the paint who had a bigger affect on the outcome of a game than the perimeter players you just named

Ewing
Robinson
Dream
Daughtery
Shaq
Smits
Zo
Dikembe (Defensively)

Outside of Ewings choking ass, the Bulls never had to face half those centers in the West and the Smits, Zo's and Daugterys, and Mutombos were mad one dimensional
 

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Outside of Ewings choking ass, the Bulls never had to face half those centers in the West and the Smits, Zo's and Daugterys, and Mutombos were mad one dimensional

It's not Jordan's fault Dream or D Rob never made the finals in his time.

Where are the great C's today?

The guys i named where true all star centers, now you got Dwight and Drew.

Thr guys i named were HOF's, and allstar big men

Jordan faced ZO twice in the playoffs, 95 and 97, and he wasn't 1 dimensional at all. Legit 19-10 and all world defender
 

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It's not Jordan's fault Dream or D Rob never made the finals in his time.

Where are the great C's today?

The guys i named where true all star centers, now you got Dwight and Drew.

Thr guys i named were HOF's, and allstar big men

Jordan faced ZO twice in the playoffs, 95 and 97, and he wasn't 1 dimensional at all. Legit 19-10 and all world defender

This isn't a "fault" argument. It's just ridiculous to bring players up that the Bulls didn't have to face in their run.

The one that the Bulls did, yall give Jordan excuses for losing to.
 

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This isn't a "fault" argument. It's just ridiculous to bring players up that the Bulls didn't have to face in their run.

The one that the Bulls did, yall give Jordan excuses for losing to.

I don't care what you say EWING was a great player Jordan faced multiple times in the playoffs.

Alonzo MOurning is another one.

Brad Daughtery was a multiple time allstar who retired due to his back failing him.

I wouldn't say they were "Excuses" more so than an objective opinion that can be corroborated based on what happened the following year. But please let's not go there tonight please.

Let's keep the discussion tracked on the great players Jordan faced
 

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What super team?

Are you forgetting back then the NBA had REAL BIG MEN patrolling the paint who had a bigger affect on the outcome of a game than the perimeter players you just named

Ewing
Robinson
Dream
Daughtery
Shaq
Smits
Zo
Dikembe (Defensively)


and i bet none of them could consistently drop 25+ against the bulls, other than dream. the fact is none of their teams were that good anyway. a team like knicks NEVER had a chance IMO cuz ewings supporting cast just really wasnt that good.

dream is probably the only one that could consistently command a double team, then have passing ability to get it out to the shooters to make you pay. maybe drob, but they never had to play him either (though i think bulls wouldve killed the spurs)
 

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and i bet none of them could consistently drop 25+ against the bulls, other than dream. the fact is none of their teams were that good anyway. a team like knicks NEVER had a chance IMO cuz ewings supporting cast just really wasnt that good. dream is probably the only one that could consistently command a double team, then have passing ability to get it out to the shooters to make you pay. maybe drob, but they never had to play him either (though i think bulls wouldve killed the spurs)

The bulls keyed in on Ewing, because the knicks didn't have another consistent scoring option on the team. That directly ties into the portion of your post i bolded. The knicks being unable to topple the bulls lies more in Ewing's lack of supporting cast more so than his ability to play basketball.

It's much easier to double someone when your perimeter players are starks, old ass derek harper, doc rivers, instead of Kenny Smith, Sam Cassel, Vernon Maxwell, Robert Horry, and Clyde in 95
 

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The bulls keyed in on Ewing, because the knicks didn't have another consistent scoring option on the team. That directly ties into the portion of your post i bolded. The knicks being unable to topple the bulls lies more in Ewing's lack of supporting cast more so than his ability to play basketball.

It's much easier to double someone when your perimeter players are starks, old ass derek harper, doc rivers, instead of Kenny Smith, Sam Cassel, Vernon Maxwell, Robert Horry, and Clyde in 95


The Bulls didn't even double Ewing.
 

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Phil Jackson never or rarely doubled anyone. that was his coaching philosophy. Do you agree that ewing had a weak supporting cast offensively?

Of course I do...but I also could NEVER understand how Ewing would allow Wennington, Longley or Cartwright move him from his spoT and turn him into a jump shooter.
 
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