Barkley: LeBron can't crack my all-time top five
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he had him at #6
STAN JONES
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The whole titles argument when discussing whos better out of 2 playes is dumb as shyt
Titles are won by teams.Im pretty sure if Bron played his first 10 or so years in the league with Shaq he'd have more than 5 rings
Titles are won by teams.Im pretty sure if Bron played his first 10 or so years in the league with Shaq he'd have more than 5 rings
Charles Barkley needs to be drug tested
Kill Dat Noize
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It's the matter in which they won. Obviously people feel Kobe has proven himself over the course of five championships in a way LeBron has yet to do winning only two.
STAN JONES
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lol like I said yall sound dumb as shyt
This is like arguing Bill Russell is better then Hakeem and using rings as your reason
Kill Dat Noize
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LeBron had to join DWAYNE WADE and CHRIS BOSH and barely got by against a team who's best player was TONY PARKER. In fact if it weren't for a Ray Allen three... they would have LOST.
And how could you even compare Russell to Hakeem when the eras and the game itself were so different? Why even bother? There wasn't even a fukkin 3 point line back then. Big men were like 10x more valuable and 10x more dominant.
But you best believe havin 11 rings make Russell the GOAT of that era.
There's no guarantee about that whatsoever, especially given his style of play at the time. The rings argument makes sense when comparing all time great players who have had opportunities to win because they are usually most of the reason that their team won. If LeBron James never won back to back with this Heat team then you could not put him in the top 10 all time given the competition he faced. You cannot have the best overall team in the NBA 3 straight years and not win, and then expect people to put you over Magic, Bird, and co. It makes more sense in basketball than any other team sport to be realistic. It shouldn't be the end be all, but it has a place.
So are we looking back and saying WOW those New Jersey Nets, 76ers, and maybe even the Magic were juggernauts? Are we saying if it's wasn't for Ron Artest and Gasol going off in the 4th quarter of game 7 that the Lakers would have LOST...NO we are giving credit to the championship and moving on...
STAN JONES
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See youre doing it again
Why do you bring up team accomplishments when discussing whos better out of 2 players?
Unless those 2 guys played with the exact same teammates and played against the exact same opponents then none of that shyt should matter
Using your logic Tony Parker is better then Derrick Rose
"If ifs were fifths we'd all be drunk" You can't play the if game with this. But I will.
What "if" Jordan didn't have Pippen and Phil Jackson as his coach? Because he didn't make the Finals until Jackson was coaching him.
What "if" Kobe stayed with the Hornets instead of going to LA and playing with the most dominant big man of the era.
What "if" Sacramento hadn't been cheated out of going to the finals?
What "if" Phil Jackson hadn't coached Kobe for those 5 rings? How many rings has Kobe won without Phil Jackson?
5 Lakers in his top ten and NO MAGIC (and no shaq for that matter5 Lakers in the top 10
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Kill Dat Noize
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True, but Kobe always had to go through some crazy shyt playin in that western conference. It was a never a cakewalk into the finals. Whether he was playin second fiddle to Shaq or leadin the way on his own years later, his Laker teams always were always goin head to head with some really good teams.
People look at this past year and LeBron's Superheat had to go through the bucks, a bulls team without rose, and the pacers. And against a team who's best player is tony parker and tim duncan collectin social security.
Not sayin his ring don't count but people wanna see the man PROVE HIMSELF a little more. He still hasn't conquered that mountain yet.