Beanie Sigel featuring Jay-Z - It's On

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I think its revisionist to say Beans dropped the ball

What exactly was Beans gonna do? He don't have the personality traits required to crossover like Jay, has never shown any interest in business etc

He is widely considered a HipHop legend with at least one universal classic album

Why is his career considered some missed opportunity or failed potential - how much bigger could he be than he was
Nah he dropped the ball and we were saying it in real time. He was getting better with each album and could make a song for any occasion. He had his own label, clothing line, movies. He had everything
 

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Nah.

I remember in real time when Jay was doing MTV's My Diary episode when he was getting visibly and vocally angry about Sigel's inability to just go to a club and not start some shyt. He was addressing the issue on songs at that time as well.

It took Jay a long time to crossover especially compared to rappers who were significantly younger than him. If anything, his crossover appeal is what is being revised here. Jay paid more dues than most so when he finally got the ball, he didn't take it for granted which made for some good decisions which made for some smart decisions but also for a level of artistic compromise.

Also Hov enjoys this myth that he did all on his own when he actually had Biggs, Dame, Irv, and Lyor helping him on the business end. Sigel by his own admission said he came in the majors basically overnight more so out of luck than paying dues.

He didn't know what to do with it. Jay on the other time was often too calculating and too careful. In terms of the work, there's pros and cons to each method or lack thereof.

I remember that shyt, jigga was :unimpressed: while he headed straight into the crowd to drag Sigel out of there :russ:.


"Beans I ain't tryna change you, just give you some game. To make the transition from the streets to the fame" :wow:
 

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Nah, I can probably write a personal essay about following the Beanie Sigel downfall, and my own rise & fall as a teenager, I followed it all in real time that summer, and the next two. I bought Beanie Sigel's debut in 2000, I was a fan since "Reservoir Dogs", when he was just some grimy voiced no name with a dope verse, and a lot of street appeal.

Then, the Jada and Beanie battle, on the eve of The Reason, solidified his spot, as an artist who could do raw street records, still SELL records, battle, and open up emotionally in the booth. He was one of the greats, and Jay's protege. Then he did State Prop Vol. 1 and he had a crew, his third album was highly anticipated, dynamics at the the Roc over 2002 got a little odd, and Sigel had a slower year, but still killing features, and getting ready for 2003. The Diplomats and Dame were causing chaos, internal feuds, politics, buy outs, but no one really knew this, at the time.

Meanwhile, Beanie was neck deep in the streets, strung out on pills and syrup, deep in the drug game in South Philly, he was actually living that life at the same time, putting lil homies on with blocks, he was known and feared on those streets, and his power was tenfold with the fame and money.

In 2003, he went off the rails, first an arrest for driving with hundreds of Xanax and Percoset, plus a pistol. Then, he breaks some dude's jaw. All this as Jay is going on tour with 50, and 50's rise has thrown a wrench into all things, and the Roc's future is very uncertain. His album The B. Coming is slated for release, that summer along with a new State Property album. Then he pulls up in front of a strip club in South Philly and puts like 4 bullets into some nobody, terrence Speller, and pulls off in his Escalade.

He's charged with attempted murder from the Philly DA's office, and the feds pick up his gun case, and he gets released on bail, records the wildest mixtape, and a pure classic while on pre trial release, I have ever heard. I can go on, but that was where it all really ended that summer, and into 2004.
 

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Song is absolutely disgusting
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first heard it on this tape (great best of btw)

This may be there best collab, the back and forth and beat is legendary.
 

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Because he doesn't have 3 classics in a row. He has 2 OK albums with classic tracks, and one really good-to-great album in B.Coming
facts, if only Yeezus, Bink, Just Blaze made the entire album and they shortened the length and they didn't have bullshyt ass features (state property)
 

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Nah.

I remember in real time when Jay was doing MTV's My Diary episode when he was getting visibly and vocally angry about Sigel's inability to just go to a club and not start some shyt. He was addressing the issue on songs at that time as well.

It took Jay a long time to crossover especially compared to rappers who were significantly younger than him. If anything, his crossover appeal is what is being revised here. Jay paid more dues than most so when he finally got the ball, he didn't take it for granted which made for some good decisions which made for some smart decisions but also for a level of artistic compromise.

Also Hov enjoys this myth that he did all on his own when he actually had Biggs, Dame, Irv, and Lyor helping him on the business end. Sigel by his own admission said he came in the majors basically overnight more so out of luck than paying dues.

He didn't know what to do with it. Jay on the other time was often too calculating and too careful. In terms of the work, there's pros and cons to each method or lack thereof.
Jay crossed over in 98 with that Vol. 2 Hard Knock Life album, only took him 2 albums.
 
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