Bed Wench immigrant & her racist “Zaddy” is reminiscing about the "sexual fun times" of slavery.

[HarlemHottie]

Where does it say they all had the agency to stop being a slave whenever they wanted to?

I have posted several series of receipts right here, just search my name itt, but I'll outline my argument, again.

Spoiler

1. She and her brother were in France for two years. At the time, it would have been legal for them to just walk away. They were free in France. They both had highly coveted skills, he was a chef, she could have found a nice position as the ladies maid of a rich woman (a good job for a regular girl back then) until he jumped off proper. They knew, and were liked by, Jefferson's rich friends. They knew the language. Instead, she negotiated her terms, what she needed to return to Monticello. At 15!

Spoiler

There [in France] she enjoyed certain privileges and saw the kind of freedom she wanted for herself and her future children. Thus, when Jefferson asked her to return with him to Virginia two and a half years later, she refused. It was possible for an enslaved person residing in France to sue for their freedom, since American slavery laws were not recognized or upheld there.

It’s unclear whether Hemings’ refusal was an overt bargaining chip or not, notes historian Annette Gordon-Reed of Harvard, who has written extensively of the Jefferson-Hemings relationship. Hemings was 16 and pregnant with his child. But Jefferson made a “solemn pledge” to her that if she returned, she would be granted “extraordinary privileges” and their children would be freed at age 21. Madison Hemings described their agreement as a “treaty.”

https://www.history.com/news/slavery-negotiations-freedom-concubines-thomas-jefferson-sally-hemings

2. I'm not sure about when they got back to Monticello, but I do know that her eldest son 'ran away', but was not chased. A year later, the overseer gave her daughter $1000 in today's money, put her in a carriage, and sent her to go live with her brother.

Spoiler

While Jefferson did not legally free Harriet, in 1822 when she was 21, he aided her "escape".[1] He saw that she was put in a stage coach and given $50 for her journey. Her brother Madison Hemings later said she had gone to Washington, DC, to join their older brother Beverley Hemings, who had similarly left Monticello earlier that year. Both entered into white society and married white partners of good circumstances.

Harriet Hemings - Wikipedia

Does this sound like the slavery we all know? Or does it sound like 'something else'?

do you think if any of these women Sally Hemming in particular had said no that it would have been the end of the owners pursuit?

She literally WAS FREE and set the terms of her concubinage. Are you just choosing to ignore that?

Not sure why you bringing up other ppl, my contention has always been that the Hemmings family enjoyed some 'special arrangement', as is borne out by the historical record.

 

[rosie93]

A lot of BW feel this way...they just don't come out and say it

All this "the queen by my side" and "my rock" talk means nothing to most of them.

If WM overnight decided BW were more attractive and made better wives...BW would have left nikkas a long time ago in much imo.

No lies told =). I have Nigerian female cousins and most of them date white guys. I on the other hand fell in love with my nonblack wife because of her personality. She doesn't make weird comments and assimilated to my family (Nigerian culture). My cousins on the other hand are picking up bad habits from their white boyfriends/husbands . One of the husbands voted for Trump and listens to country music. I try to keep my distance from them at family gatherings .

 

[intruder]

Not that it matters but, how is she an immigrant, again?

 

[No Sleep]

Is that @xoxodede i'm seeing comments that say it is?

 

[xoxodede]

Is that @xoxodede i'm seeing comments that say it is?

You seeing wrong then.

 

[No Sleep]

You seeing wrong then.

I didn't want to think that was you.

 

[omnifax]

I have posted several series of receipts right here, just search my name itt, but I'll outline my argument, again.

Spoiler

1. She and her brother were in France for two years. At the time, it would have been legal for them to just walk away. They were free in France. They both had highly coveted skills, he was a chef, she could have found a nice position as the ladies maid of a rich woman (a good job for a regular girl back then) until he jumped off proper. They knew, and were liked by, Jefferson's rich friends. They knew the language. Instead, she negotiated her terms, what she needed to return to Monticello. At 15!

Spoiler

There [in France] she enjoyed certain privileges and saw the kind of freedom she wanted for herself and her future children. Thus, when Jefferson asked her to return with him to Virginia two and a half years later, she refused. It was possible for an enslaved person residing in France to sue for their freedom, since American slavery laws were not recognized or upheld there.

It’s unclear whether Hemings’ refusal was an overt bargaining chip or not, notes historian Annette Gordon-Reed of Harvard, who has written extensively of the Jefferson-Hemings relationship. Hemings was 16 and pregnant with his child. But Jefferson made a “solemn pledge” to her that if she returned, she would be granted “extraordinary privileges” and their children would be freed at age 21. Madison Hemings described their agreement as a “treaty.”

https://www.history.com/news/slavery-negotiations-freedom-concubines-thomas-jefferson-sally-hemings

2. I'm not sure about when they got back to Monticello, but I do know that her eldest son 'ran away', but was not chased. A year later, the overseer gave her daughter $1000 in today's money, put her in a carriage, and sent her to go live with her brother.

Spoiler

While Jefferson did not legally free Harriet, in 1822 when she was 21, he aided her "escape".[1] He saw that she was put in a stage coach and given $50 for her journey. Her brother Madison Hemings later said she had gone to Washington, DC, to join their older brother Beverley Hemings, who had similarly left Monticello earlier that year. Both entered into white society and married white partners of good circumstances.

Harriet Hemings - Wikipedia

Does this sound like the slavery we all know? Or does it sound like 'something else'?

She literally WAS FREE and set the terms of her concubinage. Are you just choosing to ignore that?

Not sure why you bringing up other ppl, my contention has always been that the Hemmings family enjoyed some 'special arrangement', as is borne out by the historical record.

Sorry for the late response I missed the notification. Your receipts are proof that these were not amicable decisions made between slave and slave owner. Running away is a risk taken by the slave and not something the owner is just ok with.
In one of your posts it states part of the "agreement" was that her children would be free not her meaning she would still be under his ownership. My argument has been that no matter the amount of privileges he provided her he was still her owner and at no point was she in a position of equity with him I brought up other people because with your posts about Sally Hemmings it alleges that some slave women negotiated having sex with their owners and thus it is not rape if they consent in this fashion. The reason I ask for other examples is because you need to provide proof of a pattern to back up an allegation of this nature.

 

[satam55]

I think this chick's name on youtube is Crystal Swirlz, some other black woman exposed her for having a broke abusive white man. I also heard she's a single mom with a full black child... L's all around...smh

Is Crystal Swirlz the same person as Christelyn Karazin or nah?

 

[Ahsha]

So much has filtered through my mind after watching not even a 1 min of that vid. I'm just gonna leave it at smdh.

 

[Problematic Pat]

Is Crystal Swirlz the same person as Christelyn Karazin or nah?

Nah Karazin is the ultimate wench.

 

[Ya?]

No lies told =). I have Nigerian female cousins and most of them date white guys. I on the other hand fell in love with my nonblack wife because of her personality. She doesn't make weird comments and assimilated to my family (Nigerian culture). My cousins on the other hand are picking up bad habits from their white boyfriends/husbands . One of the husbands voted for Trump and listens to country music. I try to keep my distance from them at family gatherings .

So both of you married non black people lol

And what’s wrong with country music, and voting for Trump is a personal choice. You think your wife is assimilated, you are not in her head and you have no idea what she thinks of black people and what she says about and your family when she is with her own side of the family.

 

[Originalman]

Doesn't effect me. Dumb broads saying dumb shyt online black women hating black men yet I've never seen this type in public I'm hated because of my skin color by several groups, what's one more

^this

 

[ShackZilla89]

Is Crystal Swirlz the same person as Christelyn Karazin or nah?

Nah...