Being black and agnostic/atheist fukking sucks

[cyndaquil]

I’ve leaned more towards Agnostic as I’ve gotten older but its still not concrete. Still searching for answers…


It does suck when dating though. Especially bw. If they are religious, its kind of OD sometimes at this older age. It’s almost feels like these type of women think they know everything about everything but dismiss questions or continuing to learn (I actually think thats more in line of searching for God, no?).

It’s hard to even discuss it, because most don’t really want to have a logical discussion on it. They kinda just repeat whatever they heard their pastor say. But thats only with my experiences with bw and a few other minorities I dated were like that. Never dated a white religious woman.

Like, I can recite full scriptures thats how much some of it I’ve memorized. It’s just hard to speak on it at a surface level. It’s not a dealbreaker for me, I like learning about different religions as well. I like the convo… even the spiritual convo, as I believe that is more related to science than organized religion tends to be.

Black women are obsessed with Christianity

I've been saying this. People can't be satisfied knowing that we truly dont know. All the church shyt is comfort food for people.

What happens when you die, why we are
here, etc. There's no solid answers to those questions yet. But somehow we are to be beholden to a book and religion used by colonizers and enslavers as a form of oppression and suppression of resistance for centuries.

So many people have never even attempted to explore beyond what's taught in the church. The world is rich with philosophy one can utilize to form ones own belief system but people would rather be sheep. It's unfortunate but true that the number of agnostic/atheist/non-Christian men outnumber the women.

It often has less to do with the belief itself but the rigidity with which belief is held. New external ideas are met with strong skepticism as it may undo the brainwashing.

 

[cyndaquil]

Yup varying degrees I personally find it to sometimes be a mix of delusional, a red flag and just downright corny.

Just my humble opinion though. People are entitled to believe what they believe and practice it as long as they don’t judge others

Facts

How I always felt. I was never a fan of warring organized religions. You have yours and I’ll have mines but there’s a chance we’re both wrong in the end.

Just have YOUR faith and reasons as to why.

Unfortunately that isn't how these things seem to work. For the devout believers for them to truly believe they have to have no doubt that they what they believe in is the truth. It's a requirement. They won't acknowledge that chance that they are wrong because that then denotes they dont truly believe. Wavering faith is accepted as normal but only when viewed as a pathway to even stronger faith and belief. See the issue there? It also does not help that the faiths are proselytizing by nature. The objective is to spread it to as many as possible. In order to save them. You won't be left alone by Christianity or Islam. People will say they respect your beliefs but slowly push you towards theirs over time.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

I've been saying this. People can't be satisfied knowing that we truly dont know. All the church shyt is comfort food for people.

What happens when you die, why we are
here, etc. There's no solid answers to those questions yet. But somehow we are to be beholden to a book and religion used by colonizers and enslavers as a form of oppression and suppression of resistance for centuries.

So many people have never even attempted to explore beyond what's taught in the church. The world is rich with philosophy one can utilize to form ones own belief system but people would rather be sheep. It's unfortunate but true that the number of agnostic/atheist/non-Christian men outnumber the women.

It often has less to do with the belief itself but the rigidity with which belief is held. New external ideas are met with strong skepticism as it may undo the brainwashing.

Exactly.

I remember in bootcamp there was my rackmate and another guy, and my rackmate was coming in to be a RP which was basically a Pastor at the time.

He was a 7th Day Adventist, the other guy was something else, and I was something else and we would stay up for hours sometimes after lights out discussing religion, going to scriptures in those little travel Bibles they gave us, I’m asking questions and he’s going to answers right in the book, etc.

Like, he said he was an aethist who read the Bible like 5 times to force himself to understand it. He was also the oldest guy in boot.

But things like that are what interest me more so then just watching a cat kinda pander and holla about things… some of them anyway.

Sometimes church is good for you regardless. I been meaning to go. Used to just go and sit back home in the back just like the movies when going through shyt and just watch. I feel like it’s just a deeper conversation to be had

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Unfortunately that isn't how these things seem to work. For the devout believers for them to truly believe they have to have no doubt that they what they believe in is the truth. It's a requirement. They won't acknowledge that chance that they are wrong because that then denotes they dont truly believe. Wavering faith is accepted as normal but only when viewed as a pathway to even stronger faith and belief. See the issue there? It also does not help that the faiths are proselytizing by nature. The objective is to spread it to as many as possible. In order to save them. You won't be left alone by Christianity or Islam. People will say they respect your beliefs but slowly push you towards theirs over time.

Thats fine

Nothing wrong in whole heartedly believing. Thats what I mean… do you

And maybe I want to be pushed.. convince me but if I’m not, then I’m not.

It is not impossible to be good friends and different religions. All these religions have like this major council where they all meet up and discuss things anyway. Forgot what they call it.

Relationships are tricky. Thats why agnostics and etc., that are black men feel that way

 

[cyndaquil]

Exactly.

I remember in bootcamp there was my rackmate and another guy, and my rackmate was coming in to be a RP which was basically a Pastor at the time.

He was a 7th Day Adventist, the other guy was something else, and I was something else and we would stay up for hours sometimes after lights out discussing religion, going to scriptures in those little travel Bibles they gave us, I’m asking questions and he’s going to answers right in the book, etc.

Like, he said he was an aethist who read the Bible like 5 times to force himself to understand it. He was also the oldest guy in boot.

But things like that are what interest me more so then just watching a cat kinda pander and holla about things… some of them anyway.

Sometimes church is good for you regardless. I been meaning to go. Used to just go and sit back home in the back just like the movies when going through shyt and just watch. I feel like it’s just a deeper conversation to be had

Church itself is good. It is one of the few spaces for black people to gather not be bothered and only indulge in positivity. Unfortunately we dont have many or any non religious spaces like that.

I think the benefits of the church come in the form of the community it creates which focuses on caring for one another rather than the Bible and figure they pray to. I believe religion to primarily be philosophy put into practice. I may not be subject to Christian religious tenants myself but we can't disregard the good things it teaches when discussing the bad as well.

Pastors these days are more akin to life coaches/motivational speakers who give people confidence to live life via powerful messages and these messages give individuals confidence in themselves and on a subconscious level allows them to manifest whatever they are looking for in their lives.

If I pray and believe an unseen omnipotent spirit is giving me strength before a big event it allows me to be at ease and focus on the task rather than worrying about extraneous details with it.

 

[Ohene]

Church itself is good. It is one of the few spaces for black people to gather not be bothered and only indulge in positivity. Unfortunately we dont have many or any non religious spaces like that.

I think the benefits of the church come in the form of the community it creates which focuses on caring for one another rather than the Bible and figure they pray to. I believe religion to primarily be philosophy put into practice. I may not be subject to Christian religious tenants myself but we can't disregard the good things it teaches when discussing the bad as well.

Pastors these days are more akin to life coaches/motivational speakers who give people confidence to live life via powerful messages and these messages give individuals confidence in themselves and on a subconscious level allows them to manifest whatever they are looking for in their lives.

If I pray and believe an unseen omnipotent spirit is giving me strength before a big event it allows me to be at ease and focus on the task rather than worrying about extraneous details with it.

I honestly hate to say it

But i think church and Christianity in practice brainwashes a lot of ppl

Especially black women. I don’t know why it is, but they be far more steadfast and extreme with how they practice it

 

[cyndaquil]

I honestly hate to say it

But i think church and Christianity in practice brainwashes a lot of ppl

That's exactly what it does. Christianity is the religion of the oppressed. It teaches people not to seek riches in this life because there will be much more awaiting them in death. IE shut up, do your work, and when you die God will reward you and those who oppress you will receive their due punishment. Meanwhile you continue to be exploited.

Who is the most oppressed group in this country? Black people. Who is the most oppressed subgroup of black people? Black women. They are looking for a savior. Of course they are the most Christian group. Some of us have woken up to realize we have to save ourselves and even smaller number than that have woken up to see we have to WORK TOGETHER to save ourselves. That involves men and women. In familial units coming together with other familial units to form strong communities and ties with each other.

Unbeknownst to church goers the way of living that has made the Jewish people so successful is right there in front of them. It has nothing to do with their faith but the things I just mentioned that the tenants of their religion mandate is demanded of their culture

 

[Dont@Me]

I see the finest Bladk woman and be all , I find out she's Christian and I immediately and lose all interest. The shyt sucks breh

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Yeah well my issue with organized religion is more with the people and it’s history to get to this point more than it is with God himself. Not really the average followers either.. more like the profiters I don’t trust.

I don’t trust people

 

[Jasonmask]

The ironic part is that a bible thumper and edgy atheist are basically the same thing

 

[cyndaquil]

The ironic part is that a bible thumper and edgy atheist are basically the same thing

Two people who rigidly believe in some shyt they cant prove and want to force their beliefs onto everyone else?

 

[Jasonmask]

Two people who rigidly believe in some shyt they cant prove and want to force their beliefs onto everyone else?

And also being very judgmental and can’t stop talking about their beliefs in conversation. Hardcore Christians think you guys are deviants that are taking a first class flight to hell and atheists think everyone who believes in something is an idiot not worth existing. You agnostic mfs I got the most problems with like stop being a ho and make a decision

 

[MikelArteta]

Repent

 

[UpAndComing]

I gave people the benefit of the doubt if you lived pre-Printing Press which was before the 1500s.... where information was purposefully hidden and not available to you at all unless you were royalty or nobility

But in current times, with high speed Internet and hundreds of search engines. For you to be still a hardcore religious person is absolutely mind boggling to me

 

[cyndaquil]

And also being very judgmental and can’t stop talking about their beliefs in conversation. Hardcore Christians think you guys are deviants that are taking a first class flight to hell and atheists think everyone who believes in something is an idiot not worth existing. You agnostic mfs I got the most problems with like stop being a ho and make a decision

It's not being a hoe. A decision was made. Multiple in fact. It's liberating. The decision was made to not follow a religion. I am an agnostic humanist. I won't espouse that God does not but I won't denounce those who say they don't either. There isn't enough evidence to make a decision. But I did make a decision. I decided I did not believe in Abrahamic religion and I also decided that there is not evidence to deny the existence of a creator. But I acknowledge that said creator is likely unlike anything we have described in the past. It may not be a person, it may not have human traits, but I cannot deny that it may exist.