Bernie and the Black Vote

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Bernie's lack of overt success

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He's been wildly more successful than anyone would've predicted. Sanders turned a SIXTY point national deficit against the establishment candidate into a legit race and has had Hillary shills scrambling and panicking for months.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

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He's been wildly more successful than anyone would've predicted. Sanders turned a SIXTY point national deficit against the establishment candidate into a legit race and has had Hillary shills scrambling and panicking for months.

Bernie has no support from the democratic party core.

Don't confuse the signal with the noise.

He's not even close to splitting the core of the party. Not. Even. Close.

Bernie has won states with liberal publics and small delegate counts. Its not remotely as impressive as it seems.

I salute his progress, but he has serious flaws in his candidacy, many of which were named here.

If your statement is: "The more they hear from him, the more they love him"...its too late. He shouldn't have to be explaining himself at this point. Votes are being tallied.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

He's been in Congress for over 30 years, yet he can't point to a single real piece of legislation authorized by him (besides naming a few post offices).
He's the left's quiet version of Ron Paul

Him being an independent is absolutely fukking him when it comes to delegates.

You can't rally around your lack of affiliation then cry foul when they don't back you. Its outright asinine to even try and pretend like you had any stake in delegate counts.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I'm not even sure if Black relations are that contentious with Jews except maybe up north and that's only to a degree.

This...Jews by and large have been allies to the civil rights movement, obvious anecdotes withstanding. The black civil rights leaders made note of that.

 

[StatUS]

Bill clinton played jazz on tv and ever since then it was ride or die for the clintons by black America

Like a damn snake charmer

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Bernie has no support from the democratic party core.

Don't confuse the signal with the noise.

He's not even close to splitting the core of the party. Not. Even. Close.

Bernie has won states with liberal publics and small delegate counts. Its not remotely as impressive as it seems.

I salute his progress, but he has serious flaws in his candidacy, many of which were named here.

If your statement is: "The more they hear from him, the more they love him"...its too late. He shouldn't have to be explaining himself at this point. Votes are being tallied.

I know you'd love to convince people that its too late and we have to settle for your candidate, but nothing is wrapped up. The majority of the delegates are still up for grabs, Clinton's Southern firewall has come and gone and the next block of states favor Sanders again. The establishment core of the party is irrelevant if the will of the people says otherwise.

Trying to minimize what Bernie has already accomplished in this campaign is dishonest and reeks of entitlement - fittingly, common descriptions of Clinton herself.

Instead of pretending the race is over and blaming Bernie Sanders for the imaginary failure angle you're pushing, at some point you have to stop and consider WHY you're backing a candidate whose support shrinks as voter knowledge increases. If you consider yourself progressive, this relationship runs antithetical to your ideals. If not, you're better off just dropping the facade and voting GOP.

 

[88m3]

Why does Bernie deserve the Black vote?

 

[Tate]

He's been in Congress for over 30 years, yet he can't point to a single real piece of legislation authored by him (besides naming a few Post offices).
He's the left's quiet version of Ron Paul

Bernie Gets It Done: Sanders' Record of Pushing Through Major Reforms Will Surprise You

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Since this is a huge issue at the moment, and the old thread we had on this got rolled into another

This


Was my take on the South Carolina results and it remains my thoughts on the results throughout the rest of the south.

It's important to note here that sanders is succeeding at making inroads in Asian, Hispanic, and native communities. This isn't a minority problem he faces but specifically a black problem. Sanders won or ran close with the Latino vote in Nevada, he won some of the most heavily Latin areas in Colorado last night, and he won the heavily native areas in Oklahoma. Though I've yet to see race based exit polling, these results certainly imply sanders is atleast splitting the non black minority vote

Why the disconnect with black voters here?

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[Tate]

This post alludes to sanders having issues attracting all minority voters. This is not so. He is splitting the Latino vote where he campaigns. He's very popular with Asian voters as well. It's specifically a problem with his support among black people.

He's had success winning the heavily catholic vote and the more religious white working class. He actually loses among the least religious demographic, rich whites liberals. The religious argument makes most sense to me as a matter of political organization. The black church is an organizing aspect of political life in a way the Catholic Church and white Protestant church isn't.

I think there's something to the idea that black historical pessimism about the American ideal affects the ability for populist political anger to ferment

 

[JahFocus CS]

The religion-hating crowd on here being type quiet when it comes to the Black church and its reactionary political effects on the community.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This post alludes to sanders having issues attracting all minority voters. This is not so. He is splitting the Latino vote where he campaigns. He's very popular with Asian voters as well. It's specifically a problem with his support among black people.

Son...how can you say this when HRC is winning historical demographic percentages? Its just NOT true.

He's had success winning the heavily catholic vote and the more religious white working class. He actually loses among the least religious demographic, rich whites liberals. The religious argument makes most sense to me as a matter of political organization. The black church is an organizing aspect of political life in a way the Catholic Church and white Protestant church isn't.

I think there's something to the idea that black historical pessimism about the American ideal affects the ability for populist political anger to ferment

Your last sentence is the only saving grace in the rest of what you typed.

 

[Tate]

Son...how can you say this when HRC is winning historical demographic percentages? Its just NOT true.


Your last sentence is the only saving grace in the rest of what you typed.

Bernie Sanders Most Popular Candidate Among Asian-Americans



Texas Latinos Back Clinton, Sanders Takes Latino Counties in Colorado

Sanders also won the most heavily native counties in Oklahoma.

Why do you always say easily disproven things nap?

 

[superunknown23]

^^^ What kind of bullshyt is this?
You're relying on a Gallup poll from December? What about the actual votes?
The only state with a large Latino population to hold a primary (not a caucus) so far is Texas: Hillary won 71-29 percent (same margin as the Obama-Romney 2012 contest). They made up 32% of the voters!
Cali, New Mexico and Arizona results will be same story too.
Texas Primary Results: 2016 Election - NBC News

He won Oklahoma simply because it's the whitest state in the South and he won 60 percent of their vote. He lost blacks, latinos and Natives (they made up just 14%, 4% and 5% of the voters).
Oklahoma Primary Results: 2016 Election - NBC News

Colorado? That shyt was a caucus, there was no exit polling done and only 122,000 people total voted.

He ain't splitting shyt.

 

[Tate]

^^^ What kind of bullshyt is this?
You're relying on a Gallup poll from December? What about the actual votes?
The only state with a large Latino population to hold a primary (not a caucus) so far is Texas: Hillary won 71-29 percent (same margin as the Obama-Romney 2012 contest). They made up 32% of the voters!
Cali, New Mexico and Arizona results will be same story too.
Texas Primary Results: 2016 Election - NBC News

He won Oklahoma simply because it's the whitest state in the South and he won 60 percent of their vote. He lost blacks, latinos and Natives (they made up just 14%, 4% and 5% of the voters).
Oklahoma Primary Results: 2016 Election - NBC News

Colorado? That shyt was a caucus, there was no exit polling done and only 122,000 people total voted.

He ain't splitting shyt.

He didn't even buy ad space in Texas, waste of resources. Considering no state where sanders has campaigned has had a significant Asian population and there's no more recent poll I can find, idk what you what there.

Do Hispanics not caucus in Colorado? He either won or narrowly lost them in Nevada so a similar or better result would make sense in a separate western state. Especially considering he won Colorado convincingly.

In that link(which doesn't have enough data on Hispanics or Asians or natives by themselves) He lost the black vote in Oklahoma by 60 points yet only lost all non-whites by just 10. Since this poll doesn't even have enough data on Hispanics, natives, or Asians to record them individually, and sanders still makes up significant ground relative to his position with the black vote; this would actually imply he won those voting blocks.