Yeah. And let Democrat’s who can get shyt done win the nomination.
Bernie is an ideologue. He is not a tactician.
Democrats are a big tent party. The republicans are a white supremacist reactionary party.
Bernie. Don't Run.
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Bernie is an ideologue. He is not a tactician.
Democrats are a big tent party. The republicans are a white supremacist reactionary party.
He’s in Texas. That’s the problem with Bernie. He’s from Vermont where no one gives a fukk and he doesn’t have any pressure to get anything done.I'm merely pointing out that Beto is not a progressive and has a record of not being active at all in driving forth progressive policies, merely watered down versions of what progressives want to doMake of that what you will.
Sanders can’t get anything done.So you're arguing against a popular young politician whose platform has only grown more palatable in favor of Sanders whose own platform saw a similar progression?
you need a president. Not a propagandist.
My problem with Bernie running for potus is the same I had with warren.
Stay in Congress and advocate from a position to create policy. Legislation creates wins not bully pulpit work from top down.
The left has ceded the ground to republicans who did the hard work of creating legal policy to advance our goals.
I’m tired of senators who forget their role in creating laws.
AnonymityX1000
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Got Amazon & Disney theme park workers $15/hour and got a vote on the US participation in the Saudi/Yemen conflict so I think your characterization of not being a tactician is false. What other Senator is getting shyt like that done in this Congress?
I seen nothing wrong with anything you said was wrong about Beto and I don’t even think he should run.
Oh and what’s wrong with being Hawkish on Syria? Do you not want influence there? I’m an internationalist. We’ve already seen the damage of not being one in the trump years.
I’m not looking for an ultra progressive. I’m looking for someone who leans left and who can listen to the left.
Stop putting the cart before the horse.
But Bernie has been getting shyt done, Beto's been much more toned down in comparison
In his six years in Congress, O’Rourke passed three bills. Two were related to veterans issues, the third renamed a federal building and courthouse. Of course, O’Rourke was in a GOP-dominated House, which would limit his effectiveness. But part of being effective as a Member of Congress is learning to deal with the environment you are in. Between 1995 and 2007, when the Republicans solidly held the House of Representatives, the lawmaker who passed the most amendments was not a far-right Republican but instead Vermont’s independent democratic socialist Bernie Sanders, dubbed an “amendment king.” The firebrand Florida Democrat Alan Grayson was similarly effective at writing and passing legislation.
There's receipts to your whole counterpoint presented right in the article man.
Here's a bit about Beto's congressional district being one of the most liberal in the damn country to the point where no Republican candidate was even fielded
If you’re not familiar with O’Rourke’s district, you might chalk this all up to representing a conservative region. It’s Texas, right? Our system is a representative democracy with single member districts, and lawmakers must represent politically diverse constituencies. Otherwise, they risk being thrown out. But Texas’s 16thCongressional District is among the more liberal in the country. In 2016, O’Rourke netted 85 percent of the vote, while a Libertarian grabbed 10 percent and a Green received 4 percent. There was no Republican candidate. To be fair to O’Rourke, the 2014 election, a terrible year nationwide for Democrats, was more risky for the congressman—that year he received only 67.5 percent of the vote.
Two companies and no big deal from something that was already trending.
Saudi and Yemen? They had to kill a fukking journalist to fix that and it’s overwhelmingly bipartisan and not solely his bill.
You know who’s doing big shyt? Warren.
AnonymityX1000
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No big deal, compared to what?
Yeah, he got Rs on board but he and Khana spearheaded. Isn't that being a tactician?
Oh word? What did she do?
storyteller
Veteran
So you're arguing against a popular young politician whose platform has only grown more palatable in favor of Sanders whose own platform saw a similar progression?
I think the skepticism (skepticism, not dismissal here which I think is too much). with Beto is two-fold and both have to do with him being a newjack who's so fresh off a senate run that we can't be completely sure of his national platform yet.
1) Word out of Texas Progressives has been disappointment that he backed off his rhetoric after the primary which gets additional gas off Kyle Kulinsky saying that Justice Democrats wouldn't endorse him because he was skittish on fully backing an M4A push they were supporting (this is a paraphrase that I admit is more nuanced than that but at that point just look up the video).
2) It's actually the Obama comparison imo. Obama was a new guy with some really nice rhetoric that made a lot of progressives falsely assume he was further left than they thought. That's not meant as an insult to O either. I don't think he was purposefully misleading, I think the Change message had some vagueness to it that Progressives filled in the blanks on. So when Obama was to the right of progressive goals with regards to the recession (especially punishment on banks), use of military manpower and drones, and also immigration (prior to DACA); there was a significant chunk of disappointed progressives. That has them a lot more cautious this time around of the new guy with really nice rhetoric that started to look vague when he hit the general compared to the primary.
I don't think of this as negative criticism or insults here...I think it just means the further left you get, the more worried they'll be about a bait and switch this time around. Kamala Harris' record as AG in Cali; Booker's pharamceutical plays and donations; Gillebrand's everything...that stuff is all gonna get scrutiny because significant chunk of the left is worried that they'll use Progressive rhetoric to win but not follow through (I think Obama's run is way more complicated than this simplification so don't take that to imply ill will toward him). Beto, basically by virtue of getting a big push from the center, is getting hit with similar scrutiny.
For me...I just want to see his platform developed and arguments built around his policy prescriptions rather than his age or charisma. Bernie, Warren, Harris and Booker have all pretty much pushed out bills to rally their cry around; Beto hasn't had the chance to do that yet. I'm not gonna compare him to the rest until I have a better idea of what that'll be. My worry with the recent Beto push is that I haven't heard any policy arguments that set him apart from anyone else yet. My personal pick is gonna come down to policy first and foremost. Beto the Texas Politician would probably fall in at number three for me behind Bernie and Warren, but being in Texas could easily be the reason he made certain decisions campaigning.
PoorAndDangerous
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He's ideologically Democrat /progressive. He'd run as a Democrat if he ran for president again unless he has stated otherwise. I just think it's hilarious that the democrats refuse to embrace their most popular candidate.
There is nothing wrong with either of these, and I dare you to come to terms with this.
In 2016, that shyt was cute.
In 2020, thats not gonig to fly.
Join the party or run independent.
The DNC fought hard to win back seats and raise money. That shyt isn't easy.
It takes effort and investment and long term forecasting.
AnonymityX1000
Veteran
Yeah, there is. They in for a rude awakening when debating a Progressive.
Beto's district is heavily influenced by oil.But Bernie has been getting shyt done, Beto's been much more toned down in comparison
In his six years in Congress, O’Rourke passed three bills. Two were related to veterans issues, the third renamed a federal building and courthouse. Of course, O’Rourke was in a GOP-dominated House, which would limit his effectiveness. But part of being effective as a Member of Congress is learning to deal with the environment you are in. Between 1995 and 2007, when the Republicans solidly held the House of Representatives, the lawmaker who passed the most amendments was not a far-right Republican but instead Vermont’s independent democratic socialist Bernie Sanders, dubbed an “amendment king.” The firebrand Florida Democrat Alan Grayson was similarly effective at writing and passing legislation.
There's receipts to your whole counterpoint presented right in the article man.
Here's a bit about Beto's congressional district being one of the most liberal in the damn country to the point where no Republican candidate was even fielded
If you’re not familiar with O’Rourke’s district, you might chalk this all up to representing a conservative region. It’s Texas, right? Our system is a representative democracy with single member districts, and lawmakers must represent politically diverse constituencies. Otherwise, they risk being thrown out. But Texas’s 16thCongressional District is among the more liberal in the country. In 2016, O’Rourke netted 85 percent of the vote, while a Libertarian grabbed 10 percent and a Green received 4 percent. There was no Republican candidate. To be fair to O’Rourke, the 2014 election, a terrible year nationwide for Democrats, was more risky for the congressman—that year he received only 67.5 percent of the vote.
Stop pretending this is some foresting state like Vermont.
You can't have the same lens for republicans and democrats.
Democrats are way more local in their appeal than republicans.
storyteller
Veteran
No one respects your opinion...