Bernie Ya'll :snoop:

[MusicConsulting]

Sway, how?

I'm referring to the taxing of Wall Street trades you're going to screw over workers and their retirements and you don't care.

It will also put the US at a disadvantage if other countries aren't doing the same.

Where did you get your degree from?

You know what is going to screw over america worse? This mantra that somehow Wall Street needs to be protected like it was the Vatican of North America. Someone's going to get hurt & likely the american public arent going to be sympathetic of a few workers who lose their retirement vs countless citizens when they lost generations of families to a lot of this insane high frequency gambling. If you can't see that, I can't help you. It definitely is unfortunate that some workers will feel the brunt of change. I think this is where you are terribly misinformed, you keep flushing out this red herring that is based on deception. Somehow Wallstreet is holding everything together from this "Armageddon" It always is the same tired line over n over sold to people like yourself. I look towards history as should you.

Are you familiar with the history of clandestine finance? it always ends the same way, the money changers get the daggers one way or the other. I promise you this, you can't have this level of inequality, Devilyouknow. It spills over. Total Greed will kill any nation.

The longer we wait the worse the outcome is going to be for our country. Robert Reich & others are going to be close to prophets where it comes to this gilded economy.

 

[MusicConsulting]

The one thing that pisses me off more than anything is to have my labels attacked. There's a good reason I have them. I'm a Black American progressive capitalist. Nothing of what I've said has ever attacked my labels but people want to, then get pissed, when they used to be allies, when I defend them.

You can be a progressive capitalist. Progressives aren't socialist, although they have socialist tendencies, due to the current system we're in needing a drastic rebalance. We've done Republican full socialism for a good 30 years now, where they give corporate welfare and subsidies to businesses that defeat the purpose of what a business is. That's not capitalism, it's supposedly trickle down socialism.

Liberals want a lighter version of trickle down, so they can profit from campaign contributions, while trying to keep jobs in America to justify giving tax dollars to businesses to help them grow. Combined with NSA socialism that the GOP does, we've pumped trillions into corporations with little trickle down, due to trade deals that favor sending jobs overseas subsidized.

Progressives believe that while businesses are getting such a chance at success, the working classes need those chances too. We want to get rid of corporate welfare, and pump money back into the lower rungs, to give THE DRIVEN a chance to get a leg up, go to college, and not worry about health expenses being catastrophic when you can't either afford insurance or they chose not to pay. The money you get to earn and save by getting degrees and business acumen, we hope you repay us by not cheating on your taxes, starting businesses yourself and keeping them here. Again, its not to sit on your asses and say people running businesses you can't are exploiting others, that dont have the capital or ideas to create their own businesses yet. We want you to be able to spend and save for rainy days, not just sit on your asses and blame the driven for having businesses.

Most of you need your labels checked, not me. America is founded on capitalism...full stop. If you don't get that you won't get the programs that everyone needs passed, because you'd never get the votes needed. A lot of you need to amend your expectations and be able to work for what you want and need, and not just wait for everyone to do it for you.

The worst thing about all of this is, people who try to label us "socialists" stand up for frauds. A lot of these people who defend this are taking cues from frauds & hucksters. NOT One word is said about any of these pathological liars theories that have been debunked by decades of nonsense. Just absolutely dreadful, no research,bootstraps myth, self made hogwash, etc.

ENTITLEMENTS are not Entitlements (Notice wealthy people do not use the term "Entitlements" for the chosen ones, they use instead "investments" Framing matters...



I will go with people who have degrees in history regarding financial markets than some "mascots" who just read the training manual of "Rich Dad Poor Dad"

Here's a question, why would you listen to a$$holes who have benefitted from the GOVT all their life to have the career they are now endowed? Why would you?

Rich Dad Poor Dad is not going to fukking work for hundreds of million people. Stop referencing that for destitute people who need better attention & care.



Gilded Finance is really the b*stard son of Scientology, full stop.

A lot of people are really starting to sound like a quasi MLM affiliate representative crossed with this guy:

 

[Cynic]

Banks shouldn't be in as much shot as they're in, seeing how important we've made them to the economy in general, their control of interest rates, and how we subsidize them. I wish business loans were able to come directly from the fed reserve or gov't somehow, so their only function would be to pay or charge interest on straight up deposits, and get their own money shopping for people to take out loans of various types, and not get free shyt anyway.

So no, their function is not to get the highest profits possible, as they're not even a real fukking business that can live without welfare anymore, but to try to find the cheapest loans possible and still make profit. You're talking about other types of businesses. This cac media has a lot of your heads messed up.

How are you going to make 20 Million+ CEO pay, with extreme bonuses based on Quantitative Easing, and still need subsidies from the people, bailouts, and insider trading like a motherfukker??? They would NEVER let Black people eat that good no strings attached. Jamie Dimon, in 2014, got Obama to repeal the Glas-Stegal lite portion of Dodd Frank that kept them from being able to gamble depositor money on derivatives ffs.

You've seen how government employees operate...go down to your local DMV

Banks function is profit. .That profit is taxed and pays dividends to shareholders
ie insurance/pension/mutual funds

CEOs pay gets taxed....and if you don't pay him 20... a London/HK/Singapore bank will pay him 30

You have to bail them out or the whole system crashes....

 

[MrSinnister]

You've seen how government employees operate...go down to your local DMV

Banks function is profit. .That profit is taxed and pays dividends to shareholders
ie insurance/pension/mutual funds

CEOs pay gets taxed....and if you don't pay him 20... a London/HK/Singapore bank will pay him 30

You have to bail them out or the whole system crashes....

True, but let's not call them a business, or treat them as such, but an adjunct of the Federal Reserve. As such, they require massive regulation to not become a systemic threat to our economic system the way they are now. They would also not be able to bribe our officials.

 

[5n0man]

I ask him if a cat fresh out of prison or somebody with a GED should be making 15 dollars an hour he refused to answer and eventually left the room...

Why shouldn't they?
15$ an hour might be enough to keep that person out of prison and why should someone with a GED be forever stuck with low income because of a fukk up they made as a teen?

Terrible reasons to be against 15$

 

[Cynic]

True, but let's not call them a business, or treat them as such, but an adjunct of the Federal Reserve. As such, they require massive regulation to not become a systemic threat to our economic system the way they are now. They would also not be able to bribe our officials.

A business has shareholders and employees...and provides goods/services to consumers. That's what a bank does

It doesn't matter what government over regulates... you can't outlobby these big funds

I'm against more regulation anyway

 

[MrSinnister]

emotional and reactionary. such wisdom.



i'm telling you, there are literally millions of functioning adults out here, that if you ask them basic 3rd grade logic questions, they wouldn't be able to answer; but will fight you to death over their "beliefs" though...we're living in some weird times

I think the words you're looking for are selfish and self-absorbed, like a lot of Coli "socialists" are here too. They're pretty reactionary, if you don't think exactly as they do, even if you're in the same side. I've seen it. They don't think through the repercussions of what they want, because they've lived at a certain level, because of many things out of their control, and some that were.

So they want to be punitive to anyone who is past them in life, not understanding they will think entirely different about that when they get ahead themselves. They're young know-it-all's right now, who think idealism is actually supposed to be passable in the real world. They hate me because I hit them with reality sometimes, even as I love their spirit.

This is why they can't handle basic logic, at times. Doesn't mean the movement to 15 is a bad one, because I can give you a hundred reasons why it should be....right now. It's simply the reason you get cognitive dissonance. They're incapable of thinking outside themselves and then the pity collective they gather.

 

[plushcarpet]

I think the words you're looking for are selfish and self-absorbed, like a lot of Coli "socialists" are here too. They're pretty reactionary, if you don't think exactly as they do, even if you're in the same side.

This is not just Coli socialists

this is how socialists have always been and always will be, that's why every socialist country turned into a communist totalitarian shythole

that's why the world spent the entire 1900s fighting these clowns

 

[MrSinnister]

This is not just Coli socialists

this is how socialists have always been and always will be, that's why every socialist country turned into a communist totalitarian shythole

that's why the world spent the entire 1900s fighting these clowns

True. I think Europe has learned its lesson in this though. They're more flexible to different plans than Americans, who get dug into one or the other fallacies too much. Was talking economics on Twitter with this woman from Holland, who has an even better socialist system. It works for them, but she wanted to cap the rich from being too rich.

I simply explained to her that America has a lot of lazy people, but a lot of what she's saying is correct, but we shouldn't stop motivation and innovation, just corruption. She became a capitalist in 30 mins, because the incentives are better than just being socialist and communist for the economy. Then we went to DM, when the actual fun started from respecting my respectful debate and brain (pointing her to my FB page for my looks didn't hurt either ).

On both sides, America is too extreme, which is why things always fail.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

I think the words you're looking for are selfish and self-absorbed, like a lot of Coli "socialists" are here too. They're pretty reactionary, if you don't think exactly as they do, even if you're in the same side. I've seen it. They don't think through the repercussions of what they want, because they've lived at a certain level, because of many things out of their control, and some that were.

So they want to be punitive to anyone who is past them in life, not understanding they will think entirely different about that when they get ahead themselves. They're young know-it-all's right now, who think idealism is actually supposed to be passable in the real world. They hate me because I hit them with reality sometimes, even as I love their spirit.

This is why they can't handle basic logic, at times. Doesn't mean the movement to 15 is a bad one, because I can give you a hundred reasons why it should be....right now. It's simply the reason you get cognitive dissonance. They're incapable of thinking outside themselves and then the pity collective they gather.

okay so real life scenario:

my aunt owns 2 beauty salons, she's not wealthy but she's also doing well for herself and so are her shops

she told everybody on facebook that she can't afford to pay her employees 15 dollars an hour. she just can't.
she's not anti-anybody, she was just stating a fact about her business.

so minimum wage goes up to 15 dollars an hour? she's just SOL? we just tell her to get a job flipping burgers?

now take this scenario and apply it across the country, how many black small businesses will be negatively affected by this?

now, the problem with that question is that people get in their feelings JUST FOR ASKING A QUESTION!
if this can somehow work, I'm game but from what I see, this is a disaster waiting to happen...

 

[blotter]

the idea is that more people making a living wage would go to your aunt's salons

how many people making 8 or 9$ can go to a salon regularly

 

[MrSinnister]

okay so real life scenario:

my aunt owns 2 beauty salons, she's not wealthy but she's also doing well for herself and so are her shops

she told everybody on facebook that she can't afford to pay her employees 15 dollars an hour. she just can't.
she's not anti-anybody, she was just stating a fact about her business.

so minimum wage goes up to 15 dollars an hour? she's just SOL? we just tell her to get a job flipping burgers?

now take this scenario and apply it across the country, how many black small businesses will be negatively affected by this?

now, the problem with that question is that people get in their feelings JUST FOR ASKING A QUESTION!
if this can somehow work, I'm game but from what I see, this is a disaster waiting to happen...

She's fukked, but I see nothing wrong with the question, which kind of should have a fair airing in a place called Higher Learning. These dudes treat it like it's Socialist Hour or Trolling of the Socialists Hour.

My answer would be she may not be looking at the benefits of having a 15/hr wage, as depending in her size and location, she could get a lot of clients in, and more consistent ones, if their wages were increased across the community. It wouldn't help her if people are sitting on stamps, which is why these Socialists want to happen, or given free hair vouchers because there are rich White people.

I would just try to urge her to be patient, and get some marketing going, even if it's word of mouth, so people can look to her shop to look good and keep her in business. She's not seeing the benefits yet, because they haven't happened before, and just looking at the bottom line.

Her place also may be maxed out, as far as soace, so being filled would still hurt if she has to pay people. I would say she needs to fire a few people or raise prices a little bit. Just stay competitive until the windfall.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

She's fukked, but I see nothing wrong with the question, which kind of should have a fair airing in a place called Higher Learning. These dudes treat it like it's Socialist Hour or Trolling of the Socialists Hour.

My answer would be she may not be looking at the benefits of having a 15/hr wage, as depending in her size and location, she could get a lot of clients in, and more consistent ones, if their wages were increased across the community. It wouldn't help her if people are sitting on stamps, which is why these Socialists want to happen, or given free hair vouchers because there are rich White people.

I would just try to urge her to be patient, and get some marketing going, even if it's word of mouth, so people can look to her shop to look good and keep her in business. She's not seeing the benefits yet, because they haven't happened before, and just looking at the bottom line.

Her place also may be maxed out, as far as soace, so being filled would still hurt if she has to pay people. I would say she needs to fire a few people or raise prices a little bit. Just stay competitive until the windfall.

but isn't that going to be a huge problem if hundreds of small businesses have to do this across the country?

 

[MrSinnister]

but isn't that going to be a huge problem if hundreds of small businesses have to do this across the country?

No! Why would it be? There's no real reason to consider the places that hires the fewest employees over the long term effects of the buying power of many employees now earning near or over living wages, depending on city. There would be a lot more on one to go around, and you know Blacks will want to look good. All of that has a multiple effect you lot are not seeing yet, for some reason.

When everyone's funneling their money to a rent check, cable bill, car note, insurance, and a little nightclub entertainment or beer....only the entertainment portions have the velocity of money behind it.

You want people do have higher rates of spending that is not going into all the slow moving parts of the economy. Your insurance checks aren't directly going back, as there's no real suppliers of the insurance companies, only their employees, and most of that is computer-based anyway with an executive staff and customer service. Same with every other major bill you're paying.

You flip obey buying shoes, getting your hair straight, buying beer, going to nightclubs, restaurants, mall, hotels....all of those have direct employees, owners, suppliers, people that get paid per event, and alternating pay and supply schedules.

Those places that move money quicker also pump it back into the economy quicker. A business owner now making bank, needs to look good, so he or she goes to get their hair done more often. They don't want the same looking shot as everyone else, so they go to the boutiques, and go to extra type of places, that then have the multipler effect on them too, and their supplier countries.

I've seen many niche shops open in the Clinton Era, because of this, even as he was doing trickle down. The wages were going up though, as well as more opportunity because of the windfall profits. No offense to small business owners, but they really need to start putting some money away. Usually takes a good 9 months for a wage change to shake off the short term consequences. They need to prepare for about 15 months of staying in business with it being a little leaner. Maybe cut staff in half or by a quarter.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

No! Why would it be? There's no real reason to consider the places that hires the fewest employees over the long term effects of the buying power of many employees now earning near or over living wages, depending on city. There would be a lot more on one to go around, and you know Blacks will want to look good. All of that has a multiple effect you lot are not seeing yet, for some reason.

When everyone's funneling their money to a rent check, cable bill, car note, insurance, and a little nightclub entertainment or beer....only the entertainment portions have the velocity of money behind it.

You want people do have higher rates of spending that is not going into all the slow moving parts of the economy. Your insurance checks aren't directly going back, as there's no real suppliers of the insurance companies, only their employees, and most of that is computer-based anyway with an executive staff and customer service. Same with every other major bill you're paying.

You flip obey buying shoes, getting your hair straight, buying beer, going to nightclubs, restaurants, mall, hotels....all of those have direct employees, owners, suppliers, people that get paid per event, and alternating pay and supply schedules.

Those places that move money quicker also pump it back into the economy quicker. A business owner now making bank, needs to look good, so he or she goes to get their hair done more often. They don't want the same looking shot as everyone else, so they go to the boutiques, and go to extra type of places, that then have the multipler effect on them too, and their supplier countries.

I've seen many niche shops open in the Clinton Era, because of this, even as he was doing trickle down. The wages were going up though, as well as more opportunity because of the windfall profits. No offense to small business owners, but they really need to start putting some money away. Usually takes a good 9 months for a wage change to shake off the short term consequences. They need to prepare for about 15 months of staying in business with it being a little leaner. Maybe cut staff in half or by a quarter.

with all due respect....this is some right wing rush limbaugh shyt.

i thought bernie was for the little guy...you're essentially giving the "gotta break some eggs" theory to me.

so some people will have to close their businesses and lose their jobs for the greater good? wow.