Best Producer+ Rapper (No Casper)

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People say a bunch of names but rarely say Q Tip.



Mainly because I don't think people really know his production credits. As an emcee he ain't super I'll but can spit with similar peers (i.e. Diamond D, Havoc)
 

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Q-Tip and Hav are my favs yeah but their both beat-heavy

If you just take 2002-Em tho... he has a case imo, beats are decent to good tbf and he blacks out every verse

8 Mile OST and The Eminem Show
 

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Top 3 for me are Q-Tip, Black Milk & J Dilla given their elite catalogue in both categories. Roc Marciano is probably 4th for me but I think he’s a better rapper than producer.

Just outside is Havoc and J. Cole becuase they either have more elite beats than verses (Havoc) or more elite verses than beats (J. Cole).
 

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Very hard to reach Q-Tips level on the production side


MF DOOM and Roc Marc have a good balance, They're up there.

Have to think of more outside of those mentioned already.
 

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Im talking cats that did both with equal time. Otherwise the only logical answer is Rakim.


Only reason why i don't give the nod to rakim is.
Finesse actually garnered work.
on the old consensus best producer in rap dre's projects and made the pre-req gangsta i miss my homies record. Outside of the sweetspot.
of where finesse would generally be thought to have made credits.
With finesse being a syndicate member with ice t. Finesse got that insight.
to appeal to westcoast pundits naturally. Before wack vibe magazine made east v west into bullshyt.

If ra also had widespread placements.
on other nyc legends.
before they were legends lp's.
Ala finesse wirth biggie.
Ra would be the choice.
Plus ra never produced or had a battle on wax.
For me to give him the duke.
Whereas the finesse actual record to diss lordz of the underground. Was shelved or never heard.
It still exist in mystery.
If ra would have had credits and placements
That hit and placements in future legends work. While finesse arguably found the two best active grassroots emcees in history and put them on in :


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