Better PG/PF combo: JKidd & KMart or CP3 & Blake

[Stinky Diver]

CP3 on New Orleans is some of the finest PG play you'll ever witness.

 

[ManBearPig]

CP3 would body Stockton.

Stockton wasn't a scrub and what about Malone vs Blake Griffin?

 

[ManBearPig]

Honestly Kidd & Mcdyess>>>>


But Dice had the emotional maturity of a 5 yr old.Left Phoenix/J Kidd...which was a top notch franchise at the time


To go play with the no pg having/lottery bound Nuggets.


To answer the question....Paul/Blake>>>>>Kidd/Martin


Martin being the weakest player.

In fact, I don't even acknowledge those Nets teams.The East was so terrible then.Team would've been an early playoff exit in the West.Never would've made it past the 2nd round.

Neither Kidd or Antonio McDyess were in their primes. They did not do anything besides lose in the first round

Y'all nikkaz say weird shyt thinking its smart.

 

[Starski]

Defense, rebounding and running an offense. I don't recall anyone ever accusing Kidd of over dribbling and making an offense stagnant.

CP3 is the better PG overall but he's not better than Kidd in every aspect of the game.

Stop, iv'e watched every game Kidd played w/ the nets and CP3 is better than him, as well as blake. To be completely objective every one should be voting for blake/cp3.

Cp3 is a better scorer/playmaker while being more efficient/.

 

[ManBearPig]

i didnt say i would build my team around kmart.

in other words, if i had a stacked squad like these 2016 clippers, i'd roll with kmart over blake.

now if i had a lottery team and i had to choose between the two, its definitely blake.

i understand the confusion tho. now i see what that @Malta cat was clowning about.

The clippers need Blake scoring. What if Chris Paul gets hurt again? I think Kenyon Martin is gonna carry them Until he gets back? Kmart is nothing but a 2000's Horace Grant if not even that. He might be a better fit for teams like The Golden State Warriors since they already have 2 Quality scoring options

 

[ManBearPig]

Westbrook, Curry, CP, Irving, Lillard - there's other names who I would take over Kidd today too.

ure:

Nobody read this?


Damian fukking Lillard is a better player than prime Jason Kidd?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Nobody read this?


Damian fukking Lillard is a better player than prime Jason Kidd?

In one word, yes. But it isn't as simple as that. A prime Kidd was a horrible shooter and crippled the efficiency of the offenses he led. I can't possibly have him ahead of a good playmaker who's also one of the best 3-pt shooters in the league. You wouldn't think I'm non compos mentis if Kidd played in the West for his entire career.

 

[JYoung24]

Considering they went to back to back Finals and Blake and CP couldn't even get out of the second round with a 3-1 lead clearly they had better results.

But I was just talking about better chemistry in the way their games fit together. Chris Paul may be the best point guard in the league but it's probably not the best fit to get the most out of Blake. If Blake had Jason Kidd as his PG it'd be

Chris Paul is not the best pg in the leauge

 

[ManBearPig]

In one word, yes. But it isn't as simple as that. A prime Kidd was a horrible shooter and crippled the efficiency of the offenses he led. I can't possibly have him ahead of a good playmaker who's also one of the best 3-pt shooters in the league. You wouldn't think I'm non compos mentis if Kidd played in the West for his entire career.

Damian Lillard isn't efficient either and he can't play defense. Kidd was one of the best defensive PG ever while Damian Had every opposing point guard droppin 40 on him.

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/damian-lillard-has-been-getting-owned-a-lot-this-year.308874/

 

[Da King]

Well let's see

Paul > Kidd

Blake > Kenyon

Kidd >>> Paul

By a loooooong shot

 

[Brozay]

Kidd >>> Paul

By a loooooong shot

Disagree

and a longshot? really?

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Neither Kidd or Antonio McDyess were in their primes. They did not do anything besides lose in the first round

Y'all nikkaz say weird shyt thinking its smart.

McDyess was so much better than K Mart, didn't matter if they we're in their prime or not.

nikkaz sound unintelligent trying to make Kenyon Martin out to be some kind of great player.


I think Blake is overrated, to.


Mcdyess could do all this shyt Blake does, but he was much better on defense.

So when I mentioned Kidd/Mcdyess, i did so in an "ideal sense".I really had Kidd/Martin in mind by comparison.


Plus I'm a Suns fan

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Damian Lillard isn't efficient either and he can't play defense. Kidd was one of the best defensive PG ever while Damian Had every opposing point guard droppin 40 on him.

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/damian-lillard-has-been-getting-owned-a-lot-this-year.308874/

I too joke a lot about that, but isn't as straight forward as "Lillard can't play defense". You've got to factor in team schemes, who was guarding the PG on each possession they scored and most importantly if you to weigh into account that the PG position is at its apex - it only makes sense the scoring differentials look like this (from when Kidd was in NJ):

2000/2001 -

2014/2015:

There's basically a 20% increase in starting-PG scoring from the early 2000s to today (not to mention the PG position has more elite scorers than the SG position today). Kidd would be swept up in the midst of this too, his defense most certainly wouldn't shift the median out of range. His defense wasn't that nice, and there's only so much a PG can contribute defensively. Just as if you took one of these no-defense-playing PGs and placed them in the East in the early 2000s, their defensive ability (or lack of) wouldn't be a topic of conversation.

Yes Lillard isn't exactly what I'd call efficient either, but he has a superior points per shot:percentage and doesn't cripple his team's offense by being a non-scoring hazard.

 

[ManBearPig]

McDyess was so much better than K Mart, didn't matter if they we're in their prime or not.

nikkaz sound unintelligent trying to make Kenyon Martin out to be some kind of great player.


I think Blake is overrated, to.


Mcdyess could do all this shyt Blake does, but he was much better on defense.

So when I mentioned Kidd/Mcdyess, i did so in an "ideal sense".I really had Kidd/Martin in mind by comparison.


Plus I'm a Suns fan

Kenyon Martin = Horace Grant

I voted for CP3 and Blake because how Lopsided the Debate between the two PFs was

Antonio McDyess in 1998 was better than Kmart but Kidd wasn't as good as he was later on his career.

 

[Tunez]

That's because that figure in your mind dressed up as the truth, is actually made out of nostalgia and antediluvian.

He is truth no pierce. Remember Kidd had speed, vision, defense and athleticathletic. Kidd already showed triple doubles are light work for him