BG Knocc Out - "NOI are spiritually dead"

[smokeurobinson]

He could've had an epiphany in prison to stop either way champ.

Why do u keep making up stuff and then present it to me like I'm supposed to take it serious?

The only reason Malcolm joined the NOI was because his blood brother introduced it to him while in prison. Malcolms brother had to manipulate Malcolm into thinking that practicing muslim customs was some sort of hustle that could get him out of prison. Malcolm even admitted that his brother used the manipulation from the street cons they used to be involved in because his brother knew that Malcolm wouldn't listen to shyt if it didnt involve a hustle.

Thats the truth that trumps this "epihany" fantasy u just made up in your head.

 

[@OffHalsted]

nikkas love the fruits(Malcolm/Ali/Khalid) but hate the tree(NOI/Fard/Elijah).... No other doctrine produce better Black leaders, teachers & thinkers than the NOI in recent times.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

Why do u keep making up stuff and then present it to me like I'm supposed to take it serious?

The only reason Malcolm joined the NOI was because his blood brother introduced it to him while in prison. Malcolms brother had to manipulate Malcolm into thinking that practicing muslim customs was some sort of hustle that could get him out of prison. Malcolm even admitted that his brother used the manipulation from the street cons they used to be involved in because his brother knew that Malcolm wouldn't listen to shyt if it didnt involve a hustle.

Thats the truth that trumps this "epihany" fantasy u just made up in your head.

What did I make up? You're the one coming with hypotheticals and I just engaged the question.

 

[smokeurobinson]

What did I make up? You're the one coming with hypotheticals and I just engaged the question.

Because the NOI made Malcolm X and u said he should have never joined them. Without the NOI there would be no Malcolm X and it defiantly wouldnt be no Malcolm X from an epiphany. Like I said....Malcolms brother had to manipulate him into thinking it was all a hustle because Malcolm was an athiest at the time and wasn't trying to hear shyt related to religion.

 

[smokeurobinson]

nikkas love the fruits(Malcolm/Ali/Khalid) but hate the tree(NOI/Fard/Elijah).... No other doctrine produce better Black leaders, teachers & thinkers than the NOI in recent times.

I agree with this. The NOI has its flaws and I will always look at Malcolms assassination as "in House" but aside from that...The NOI as a "movement" still is a beautiful thing for 3 reasons

1) Elijah Muhammad,using alagory, helped the Psyche of Black America by telling us we were Gods who created the universe in a country that was refering to us as 3/5th human beings. .Where do u think all that "The Black woman is a Goddess...The Black man is God" talk comes from? And that the oppressor was really inferior to us because he is the weaker verson of us but has only conquered the world because he has more evil then we do....Some might find that hateful sounding in 2019 but Black people in America needed to hear that in the 1930s because in America they were still hanging Black people.

2) Elijah Muhammad stressed independence, to do for self and he had an economic plan for Black people. Now of course you'd have to join the ranks to get within that circle of the economic plan but thats just how groups are wether it be religous groups, frats, clubs....Once u inside u can reap the benefits.

3) Elijah Muhammad stressed, dont do drugs, always be neat, always have a job, eat healthy, make sure your women cover themselves,..no use of profanity...Basically dont be a n!gger like they want us to be but be an upstanding man with honor.
Heroin was big in the 40's, 50's and 60's and the NOI had this thing were they would support u as u go thru the stages of heroin detox. Aside from that, I personally can bear witness to the support system they provide just from being an associate and not an actual member.

 

[get these nets]

Malcolm woulda still been Malcolm Little roaming the streets of Harlem eating pork, doing drugs , steering Black women into prostitution, doing hustles and scams after he got out of prison had it not been for the NOI and we would never had a Malcolm X.

Agree and I'll take it further to say that without Malcolm X, I don't think the NOI would have expanded as rapidly as it did. I don't think they would have had the national profile or the amount of members in 1965 without Malcolm. He was the face of the NOI when it started getting media coverage, and I'm sure a great number of young men wanted to learn more about it after seeing Malcolm body white scholars/reporters on tv. He was the right man at the right time. I doubt that anybody else could have done a better job of promoting/recruiting for the NOI at that time. Resentment set in among some of the other ministers, because they knew that he was the one.

 

[motion order]

The nation of Islam didn't give him that name he changed it after he left the NOI.

This post proved you don't know what the hell you're talking about, yet you're here 19 post deep in this thread.

 

[Jekyll]

I was sayimg this in that Farrakhan thread. They were probably needed in the 30s due to what we were going thru but not today. It now seems like people associate with them for clout more than anything now days.

I will say I have some great intelligent Nation brothas in the county and had some good talks about life and shyt. Its when they start goin on about the motherships and Yakob that they lose me.

 

[Jekyll]

nikkas love the fruits(Malcolm/Ali/Khalid) but hate the tree(NOI/Fard/Elijah).... No other doctrine produce better Black leaders, teachers & thinkers than the NOI in recent times.

Da fukk that supposed to mean? This ain't black and white. You can def respect someone for the good they've done but dislike them in other ways. Stop with this binary way of thinking.

 

[Gains]

shyt scientology is about as believable as christianity

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[Isaiah Bradley]

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@The Chief @G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman


In the 90's there was this moment when Farrakhan brought out Elijah Muhammads "wives" to the public...Farrakhan got criticism behind this because they were saying that it was the grand cover up to all the past speculation. Once all these woman started cooperating all speculations went out the window because now there was new testimony. Its kinda like a witness getting on the stand and changing their story. Bottom line, once this day happened all past speculation switched up...LOL...even ya'll refered to them as "wives" but before this day they weren't addressed as that.

was this common to parade the wives of ministers before Malcom's accusations? Could the video be Farrakhan's attempt to address the goto argument of disingenious folks?

 

[Apollo Creed]

The nation of Islam didn't give him that name he changed it after he left the NOI.

You clearly dont know anything about the NOI

 

[smokeurobinson]

was this common to parade the wives of ministers before Malcom's accusations? Could the video be Farrakhan's attempt to address the goto argument of disingenious folks?

That basically what I was saying. This was all one big show as an attempt to play off the past controversy. I mean, I gotta call it like it is.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

That basically what I was saying. This was all one big show as an attempt to play off the past controversy. I mean, I gotta call it like it is.

If there were no precedence, then I would understand his attempt to address the goto argument by parading his wives around
versus
There being a precedence, but they didn't do it when Elijah was alive inorder to cover up something. Because I'm still confused at how you could shame the women for polygamy in Islam

 

[smokeurobinson]

If there were no precedence, then I would understand his attempt to address the goto argument by parading his wives around
versus
There being a precedence, but they didn't do it when Elijah was alive inorder to cover up something. Because I'm still confused at how you could shame the women for polygamy in Islam

Lets keep it a buck. They didnt think of using the "But in Islam they can have wives" angle till after the fact. The controversy as it was happening had them scrambling just to play it off so they went with shaming them first. Yeah...Its fukked up. Also...They weren't stressing polygamy they were stressing monogamy because the NOI is quasi-Islam and more of a "movement" then a spiritual organization...So to just pull out the polygamy angle out of nowhere woulda looked funny style. But thats what they used decades later it seems and as we both saw in the video....The "wives" are playing along with the "new story."

Dr York saw what happened to Elijah Muhammad and flipped it and said to his followers (non-verbatim) "I can have multiple wives because I am Divine and not a normal human like ya'll are"