Bible believer thread

[MMS]

There is no concrete proof misraim = egypt.

Mizraim as a name and understanding is from the scriptures and is the historical name for Egypt in cartography as well. You are going to need to provide some sources that have led you to believe otherwise

Furthermore Canaan is also in the scriptures as well what Bible/manuscript are you reading?

Egypt as a name is an anglicized version of Hwt-ka-pTH

Which translates to “House of the Soul of the Creator”

 

[RareHunter]

I just don't see proof enough to claim mizraim = egypt. Why wouldn't the scriptures use the name mizraim for the land called egypt? There's no "hebrew name" for the canaanites for example.
But anyway, i just posted that so i could remember the egyptians were also scattered around just like the israelites, but few talk about that

Ezekiel 29
12 I will make the land of Egypt a desolation among desolate lands, and her cities will lie desolate for forty years among the ruined cities. And I will disperse the Egyptians among the nations and scatter them throughout the countries.

Because white ppl call it Egypt. The name is Mitsrayim=modernday egypt
An Egyptian would be called Mitsrites

A Caananite is Kena’anite
A Jebusite=Yebusite
Israel= Yisrael or Yasher’el
Issac=Yitshaq
Moses=Mosheh

That said Caanan was one of Ham’s sons and that was the land that was changed to Yasher’el when The Most High delivered them out of Egypt

Mitsrayim was another one of Ham’s sons. Egypt is just the modern name, probably a colonized name, just like Africa wasn’t called that before.


The hebrew doesn’t have C’s, I’s, or J’s

 

[RareHunter]

Mizraim as a name and understanding is from the scriptures and is the historical name for Egypt in cartography as well. You are going to need to provide some sources that have led you to believe otherwise

Furthermore Canaan is also in the scriptures as well what Bible/manuscript are you reading?

Egypt as a name is an anglicized version of Hwt-ka-pTH

Which translates to “House of the Soul of the Creator”

@Klaus Schwab, this is much more concise. Basically this post in a nutshell.

 

[Chez Lopez]

Brah you still on the NT?

Isaiah 43
11 I, even I, am the Lord,
and apart from me there is no savior.
12 I have revealed and saved and proclaimed, I, and not some foreign god among you.You are my witnesses” declares the Lord, “that I am God.

To:

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1 John 4:14

And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.​

Matthew 6:24
No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other.

Either you pick the Most High or you pick Jesus. Can’t be both my guy. With all due respect of course

Im glad this is a conversation that I get to have here, because Yahusha is for sure the prophesied Messiah. Would like to show you a few things for your consideration, if there is no other savior.

Gen 3
"14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

Why here does the woman have a seed and not the man. Why here is it not the man's seed. You will find no other biblical passage where the woman is described with seed. Is there any other situation we are familiar with where a woman possesses a seed without a man? Also please note that the seed is masculine, as his heel is prophesied to become bruised.

Gen 32
"24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. 25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. 26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. 27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. 28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. 29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. 30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Forgive the long passage. Consider that Jacob here is wrestling with a man, whom he calls Elohim. Why is this man Elohim? Why does he not give his name when asked? Do we know of any man/Elohim with a special, prophetic name?

Gen 48
"15 And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day, 16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth."

Here Jacob/Israel is blessing Joseph and his grandsons. Why is he calling Elohim an Angel? The word angel is the hebrew word melek, which means messenger. Who else is known as an Elohim and messenger? Why does this Elohim messenger, who has been around from the beginning, have the power to redeem from all evil?

Please note that this is just Genesis and there are many more. Please explain this evidence of a preexisting Elohim/man/messenger aside from Yah, with the power to redeem evil and having a special, secret name without the concept we are familiar with of Yahusha the Messiah.

 

[MikelArteta]

Any book recommendations?

 

[LuuqMaan]

Khadijah (I believe her name was), one of Muhammeds wives and his main financier, was a catholic and influenced much of his ideas and ideals. The Koran points to Jews (the real ones) and christians (also real Jews) on how to worship Allah. Catholicism is the father of Islam.

Do you have source for this?

Khadijah was his first wife. She had a priest cousin named Waraqa. She didn’t follow any religion but was the first believer in Muhammad (pbuh).

 

[Everythingg]

Im glad this is a conversation that I get to have here, because Yahusha is for sure the prophesied Messiah. Would like to show you a few things for your consideration, if there is no other savior.

Gen 3
"14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

Why here does the woman have a seed and not the man. Why here is it not the man's seed. You will find no other biblical passage where the woman is described with seed. Is there any other situation we are familiar with where a woman possesses a seed without a man? Also please note that the seed is masculine, as his heel is prophesied to become bruised.

Gen 32
"24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. 25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. 26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. 27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. 28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. 29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. 30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Forgive the long passage. Consider that Jacob here is wrestling with a man, whom he calls Elohim. Why is this man Elohim? Why does he not give his name when asked? Do we know of any man/Elohim with a special, prophetic name?

Gen 48
"15 And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day, 16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth."

Here Jacob/Israel is blessing Joseph and his grandsons. Why is he calling Elohim an Angel? The word angel is the hebrew word melek, which means messenger. Who else is known as an Elohim and messenger? Why does this Elohim messenger, who has been around from the beginning, have the power to redeem from all evil?

Please note that this is just Genesis and there are many more. Please explain this evidence of a preexisting Elohim/man/messenger aside from Yah, with the power to redeem evil and having a special, secret name without the concept we are familiar with of Yahusha the Messiah.

First I think the kind thing would’ve been to answer the difference between the Creator saying there’s no savior beside Him then later someone ELSE (not Himself) saying He sent another to be the savior. Maybe in your next post? Other than that I’ll just point out that the law is a witness for or against you. You’re not supposed to be running to obscure verses to insert new beliefs into your belief system:

Deut 31:26
Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God. There it will remain as a witness against you.

So if the law is a witness against you, and disobeying the law is what got you into captivity in the first place, how do you think you’re supposed to be inserting some new entity in your belief system that people like David, Abraham, or Moses didn’t serve is what you’re supposed to be doing? The only way you get out of captivity is when you follow the law that Moses gave. Where in that can you show the requirement of listening or following a “Jesus”?

As far as “Elohim” I’m not sure what that proves. The parents of Sampson saw an angel, made a burnt offering unto him and said “we have seen God.” That angel also said his name was secret. That’s not relevant. What you will be held accountable for is whether you held steadfast to the law. And in the law there isn’t room for a Jesus. There’s nothing requiring following or listening to a Jesus. And the most important thing, is that NO ONE knew, acknowledged or served him.

Of course you’re free to do so, but I don’t see why you think that will free you from your captivity when Moses wrote that when you turned back to the commands he gave you, THEN you’d be free.

 

[Chez Lopez]

First I think the kind thing would’ve been to answer the difference between the Creator saying there’s no savior beside Him then later someone ELSE (not Himself) saying He sent another to be the savior. Maybe in your next post?

Sure! But lets recall those verses in Genesis afterwards for reference. It sounds like your answer is that you don't know who those verses are referencing. They are for sure not obscure. They are, as you said, a witness directly from Torah. We will return to these and others.

Is 43
"11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour."

The Father Yah is Sovereign, which means every act, every message, every state of being begins and ends with Him. Yet, He never leaves his throne. Is He coming from heaven to save Israel, or does He send a messenger in His name to speak on His behalf? It is the latter. Here is proof:

Ex 23
"20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. 21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him. 22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries."

Notice here again an unnamed and strange Angel with the power to pardon transgressions. This angel is travelling with Israel as literally its savior in battle, who carries with him the Father's name. Does this contradict the previous verse? Also, who is this Angel whose carries with him the Father's name and decides on pardoning transgressions? Is this the same from Genesis which has been following Israel since Abraham?

Here is a second witness:

Ex 33
"4 And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone. 5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD."

Take note that the script here reads as if the Father came down from heaven Himself and proclaimed His own name. Is that what happened? With understanding we see that the Angel, whose has in him his Father's name, is speaking on His behalf. Here is the important part, he is not distinguishing himself from the Father in name. This is a common theme in biblical understanding, the Messiah as a surrogate savior, a proxy, speaking directly in the name of Yah.

To take the opposite interpretation, that there is no Messiah based on the text reading, there is no savior besides me, one must also discount the array of biblical supernatural beings that, for instance, saved Lot and family from Sodom and Gomorra, saved Daniel from the mouth of the lions and Daniels friends from the flame of the furnace. One must also discard the line of human saviors, that also spoke and acted in the name of Yah, an example of which being each judge in the book of Judges.

In conclusion, with all due respect of course, taking the absolutist approach to interpreting Is 43:11 is biblically untenable.

 

[LiIZaneFan1978]

Chag Sameach Shavuot

 

[LiIZaneFan1978]

Because white ppl call it Egypt. The name is Mitsrayim=modernday egypt
An Egyptian would be called Mitsrites

A Caananite is Kena’anite
A Jebusite=Yebusite
Israel= Yisrael or Yasher’el
Issac=Yitshaq
Moses=Mosheh

That said Caanan was one of Ham’s sons and that was the land that was changed to Yasher’el when The Most High delivered them out of Egypt

Mitsrayim was another one of Ham’s sons. Egypt is just the modern name, probably a colonized name, just like Africa wasn’t called that before.


The hebrew doesn’t have C’s, I’s, or J’s

Nah bro in the Torah there are no “ites”

Egyptian is Mitzri
Ishmaelite is Ishmaeli
Canaanite is Canaani
Israelite is Israeli
Hebrew is Ivri
Hamite is Chami

A lot of the words with H in English are actually the letter Chet (ח) in Hebrew which makes a back of the throat sound. Example Noah in English is Noach in Hebrew, spelled נח

 

[MMS]

Do you have source for this?

Khadijah was his first wife. She had a priest cousin named Waraqa. She didn’t follow any religion but was the first believer in Muhammad (pbuh).

What is the meaning of the name “Khadijah”

I bet it’s significant

 

[LuuqMaan]

What is the meaning of the name “Khadijah”

I bet it’s significant

Only meaning of name i can find is ‘premature’

What’s the significance?

 

[Everythingg]

Sure! But lets recall those verses in Genesis afterwards for reference. It sounds like your answer is that you don't know who those verses are referencing. They are for sure not obscure. They are, as you said, a witness directly from Torah. We will return to these and others.

Is 43
"11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour."

The Father Yah is Sovereign, which means every act, every message, every state of being begins and ends with Him. Yet, He never leaves his throne. Is He coming from heaven to save Israel, or does He send a messenger in His name to speak on His behalf? It is the latter. Here is proof:

Ex 23
"20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. 21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him. 22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries."

Notice here again an unnamed and strange Angel with the power to pardon transgressions. This angel is travelling with Israel as literally its savior in battle, who carries with him the Father's name. Does this contradict the previous verse? Also, who is this Angel whose carries with him the Father's name and decides on pardoning transgressions? Is this the same from Genesis which has been following Israel since Abraham?

Here is a second witness:

Ex 33
"4 And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone. 5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD."

Take note that the script here reads as if the Father came down from heaven Himself and proclaimed His own name. Is that what happened? With understanding we see that the Angel, whose has in him his Father's name, is speaking on His behalf. Here is the important part, he is not distinguishing himself from the Father in name. This is a common theme in biblical understanding, the Messiah as a surrogate savior, a proxy, speaking directly in the name of Yah.

To take the opposite interpretation, that there is no Messiah based on the text reading, there is no savior besides me, one must also discount the array of biblical supernatural beings that, for instance, saved Lot and family from Sodom and Gomorra, saved Daniel from the mouth of the lions and Daniels friends from the flame of the furnace. One must also discard the line of human saviors, that also spoke and acted in the name of Yah, an example of which being each judge in the book of Judges.

In conclusion, with all due respect of course, taking the absolutist approach to interpreting Is 43:11 is biblically untenable.

My answer to your Genesis verses is that it doesn’t matter who the angel(s) is/are. Because of this:

Deuteronomy 30
when you and your children return to the Lord your God and obey him with all your heart and with all your soul according to everything I command you today,3 then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you.

This says whoever the Israelites are can only be regathered when they RETURN to what Moses commanded them.
It’s not your responsibility to interpret Genesis correctly. It’s not to interpret prophecy correctly. It’s also not your responsibility to know who the angel (who obviously didn’t want to be recognized by name) is. This is your responsibility:

Ecclesiastes 12
Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them.Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body
13 Now all has been heard here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments for this is the duty of all mankind.

Keeping the commandments is your responsibility. Of course extra reading leads to greater understanding and wisdom. But to introduce a new figure into the faith that isn’t spelled out in the commandments? When you were told RETURNING to the commandments is what frees you from your captivity? I don’t get it which is why I said something


And there’s a difference from someone saving/delivering another from a situation and calling someone the whole savior of Israel/the world. If you have a son and someone came and resuscitated him when he needed it, you’d allow him to wake up and call that someone their savior? Because that’s where your logic here would lead you

 

[MMS]

Only meaning of name i can find is ‘premature’

What’s the significance?

Given the accusations, that’s not a good sign

 

[MMS]

My answer to your Genesis verses is that it doesn’t matter who the angel(s) is/are. Because of this:

Deuteronomy 30
when you and your children return to the Lord your God and obey him with all your heart and with all your soul according to everything I command you today,3 then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you.

This says whoever the Israelites are can only be regathered when they RETURN to what Moses commanded them.
It’s not your responsibility to interpret Genesis correctly. It’s not to interpret prophecy correctly. It’s also not your responsibility to know who the angel (who obviously didn’t want to be recognized by name) is. This is your responsibility:

Ecclesiastes 12
Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them.Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body
13 Now all has been heard here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments for this is the duty of all mankind.

Keeping the commandments is your responsibility. Of course extra reading leads to greater understanding and wisdom. But to introduce a new figure into the faith that isn’t spelled out in the commandments? When you were told RETURNING to the commandments is what frees you from your captivity? I don’t get it which is why I said something


And there’s a difference from someone saving/delivering another from a situation and calling someone the whole savior of Israel/the world. If you have a son and someone came and resuscitated him when he needed it, you’d allow him to wake up and call that someone their savior? Because that’s where your logic here would lead you

Ecclesiastes is apocryphal though, but the understanding of dwelling on the scriptures is still valid. But I do not follow Ecclesiastes for many reasons I’ve posted here before. It is heathen logic by heathens for heathen