Biggie is/was the real blueprint for sellout/commercial rap that is still being made today

[IllmaticDelta]

He was def a huge part in the commercial crossover. I don't see the love that big gets, he doesn't crack my top 20 and I don't see him in the top 10 goats, wich is diff from my personal 10, Its cuz he died, I saw a post saying no one said pac was their favorite till he died. Pac was killing shyt during his death row years. How is biggie the goat with one album while he was alive. (I don't care what anyone says, you know puff altered the shyt out of life after death) You could see the decline from ready to die to life after death, it woulda continued and he woulda took the same raod as jay where each album gets worse and worse.

Big always gets mentioned atleast by the newer school as top 3-5 if not the best

 

[Knicksman20]

Funk was the original basis sonically of all rap records, originally.
Pfunk was not a new direction sonically.
Nor, was it introduced by west coast acts originally.
Not to mention, epmd were already the staple artist in rap using pfunk almost exclusively well before DRE.
Plus, nwa featured and epmd featured in early vids together as well.
So, you could say Erick sermon actually may have influenced dre's and ice cubes lench mob(del) direction as a draw, sonically.
By the time, del and dre were motivated.
To use pfunk sonically as a direction.

Art Barr

Educate this guys Art. Like this isn't a funk sample

 

[Hannibal Fox]

LL Cool J is the blueprint for the mainstream/commercial rapper who can still bless the street, especially if they come in the game from a young age.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

So, you could say Erick sermon actually may have influenced dre's and ice cubes lench mob(del) direction as a draw, sonically.

You can say MAY have, yet most of us know Big Hutch from ATL "gave" Dre his sound.

Before that Dre was on his electro disco music..

And where does The Bomb Squad have on Cubes direction..are you saying the Bomb Squad got their sonic influence from E Double as well?

 

[mobbinfms]

I agree with the premise of the thread. IWW gets the blame that should also be given to RTD. Both are classics in my book.
And I agree with @Art Barr about funk being used in the East a long time before G-Funk came around.
Jungle Brothers second album had the funk too.
@Knicksman20
This one too

 

[IllmaticDelta]

What Is it shyt on big week?

What artist from this generation you think will be talked about twenty years from now?

I dig Biggie...RTD is one of my fav albums even though it was commercial by 1994 standards but dude gets a pass for all that commercial shyt he was dropping and I can't figure out why

 

[IllmaticDelta]

And I agree with @Art Barr about funk being used in the East a long time before G-Funk came around.
Jungle Brothers second album had the funk too.

HipHop came from Funk but Funk of the James Brown variety with percussion breakdowns. West Coast/G-Funk rap was more on that synthy, heavy bassline, electro funk. EMPD did use many of those samples but it's not crafted the way G-Funk is.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Educate this guys Art. Like this isn't a funk sample

See my last post

 

[Art Barr]

LAD is the GOAT double album.

Mobb deep's double album is the best rap double album.
It isn't even close, either.


Art Barr

 

[Knicksman20]

See my last post

That More Bounce sample EPMD used for their song You Gots To Chill is about as G Funk as you can get

 

[Art Barr]

HipHop came from Funk but Funk of the James Brown variety with percussion breakdowns. West Coast/G-Funk rap was more on that synthy, heavy bassline, electro funk. EMPD did use many of those samples but it's not crafted the way G-Funk is.

Dawg, all funk is funk.
Get up off that thang by James brown and the breakdown is pretty much the basis for all pfunk records.
As, all pfunk originators point to jb breaks.
as the mode and emulation of study for their offshoot genre.
So, please stop trying to make it all like it is isolated from one another.
Especially, if we talking about who was the best at actually sampling pfunk, and actually being the pioneer with triggers and pitch control vocal samples being next level.
Which was Erick sermon and it is wrong to try to move the goal posts on sermon, in the pfunk category as well.
As, real talk,....
Like I said,...
Nwa was featuring in epmd vids.
Plus, epmd already had that direction and lane sewn up.
to the point, the chronic and whut thee album were all available for first time sale on the same date of Oct 5, 92.
[cibad, also dropped the same exact day, as well. Yet, t is just part of the fun facts and nit funk derived sonically].


Art Barr

I wish you west coast dudes would stop showcasing mecca envy.
If you still showing animosity to the Mecca.
You are showing you are a pawn.
Plus, you never heard and did the research on the east vs west coast compilation and you never heard essays on bdp-ism.
In its first actual album based releases.
That was not an obscure white label and available for world wide consumption.



Art Barr

 

[mobbinfms]

HipHop came from Funk but Funk of the James Brown variety with percussion breakdowns. West Coast/G-Funk rap was more on that synthy, heavy bassline, electro funk. EMPD did use many of those samples but it's not crafted the way G-Funk is.

Yeah. I hear you. G Funk put its own twist on it.

 

[Axum Ezana]

Educate this guys Art. Like this isn't a funk sample

jay killed that...along with foxy.

 

[mobbinfms]

Mobb deep's double album is the best rap double album.
It isn't even close, either.


Art Barr

 

[Knicksman20]

See my last post

Also I just remembered this from UTFO



K-Solo also used the same sample in his song: Real Solo Please Stand Up in 88/89.