Biggie is/was the real blueprint for sellout/commercial rap that is still being made today

[Cheech&Chong]

where does big call nas out??

 

[infamousred]

This explains exactly the problem.
Non-cultured rap fans trying to dictate a culture to its ruin

Then, complain about the ruin they singlehandedly cause to occur.



Art Barr

The revisionist history surrounding that album makes me sick.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Only thing I say is this. If u criticize Nas for any commercial shyt on IWW. I better not hear u praising Biggie who did the same thing the same year Nas dropped raw ass Illmatic. Just be consistent. If Nas sold out. Biggie sold out out the gate.

Exactly

 

[IllmaticDelta]

where does big call nas out??

Kick In the Door.

 

[Knicksman20]

Im talking within hiphop..

You need to check that Erick Sermon interview stickied on the first page from the Combat Jack show. He talks about how the west coast thought EPMD were artists from there because of those G-Funk samples & how their records got mad play & love out there

 

[NZA]

it was tupac who told biggie to make "one song for the nyggas and one for the bytches", breh

needless to say, the bytch songs are commercial

 

[Mike the Executioner]

This thread is getting more and more pointless.

I like both Ready to Die and It Was Written. That's it. I will say that IWW was not just seen as commercial because it was compared to Illmatic. The records he made there sound almost nothing like what he was making two years before that. On the same token, Biggie was most likely going to go further down the commercial path before his death. KRS-One knew it at the time, and his statement became truer and truer as the years went by: Way too many rappers are preoccupied with wealth.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

ready to die has like 2 tracks with sing along hooks, big poppa and juicy. that's it. 3 if you wanna count the original one more chance. the rest is hardcore hip hop. i don't know what kinda revisionist history you tryna push.

album starts off with things done changed, then goes into gimme da loot, then goes into machine gun funk, then goes into warning. not exactly the kinda playlist you wanna put on when you're with a chick.

 

[Danie84]

But, technically Ready to Die followed Chronic/Doggystyle format, tho

 

[IllmaticDelta]

But, technically Ready to Die followed Chronic/Doggystyle format, tho

RTD was influenced by those albums for sure but they didn't have the getting fly element. RTD paved the way for the shiny suit era, something the Chronic/Doggystyle could have never done.

 

[L. Deezy]

That entire formula on the getting fly/playa/pimp mixed with street hustler, started on Ready To Die which I consider classic but somewhat "poppy" and developed more on Life After Death which I consider commercial as fuk w/ a ton of filler for the most part. Puff took the same formula into the shiny suit era (Biggie was already heading that way) while Jay-z used it to great effect when he made Vol 2. This style birthed the commercialism/content of Cash Money Records/similar Southern acts and later 50cent on GRODT and the Massacre.

I don't know how Biggie gets away with the blatant pop/commercialism of Ready To Die and LAD with only Puff taking blame for the shiny suit era. Nas got heat from the media for "If I Ruled The World" while spitting heat/dropping gems and Big got love for "One More Chance" which was lowgrade in content and r&B as fuk

you my dude, but I disagree with this topic.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

RTD was influenced by those albums for sure but they didn't have the getting fly element. RTD paved the way for the shiny suit era, something the Chronic/Doggystyle could have never done.

please point me in the direction of these shiny suit raps you heard on R2D. album was mostly street raps.

the flossing didn't start til LAD.

 

[Sccit]

NOTHIN COMIN OUT TODAY SOUNDS ANYTHIN LIKE BIGS MUSIC /THREAD

 

[JayBaldacci]

PWOWR is the best double album. It had more good tracks than most double albums have tracks.