i only clearly remember his last 4 titles
though i know i was watching in 91 and 92..but memories off bball are hazy before 93
Bill Laimbeer would "no question" take LeBron over Jordan
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i only clearly remember his last 4 titles
though i know i was watching in 91 and 92..but memories off bball are hazy before 93
Based on the equal amount of final appearances.... a team build around Jordan is proven to win every time whereas with Lebron it's at least 2 out of 6 times OR at best 3 out of 6 times.
Not to mention one of those times a team built around Jordan went on to have the winning-est seasons
I hear what you are saying but remember those bulls teams were not as flawed as those heat teams. Those bulls teams always had size and multiple big men to pull off the bench. Jordan never had to run the offense and didn't have to guard the best wing player (except the blazers series) because pippen or other bulls wing players did that.
Lebron two championships are the greatest feats I have ever seen in sports because the man had to literally do everything. Rebound, guard the beat wing player, guard PFs, run the offense, be the leading scorer and be the closer. Dude had to do everything except coach and even then he had to help Spo out sometimes ( tell Spo to put Cole on Stevenson). Hell he was doing so much in games I swear I saw his ass at the ticket counter taking tickets and at the concession stand giving out food.
Dude earned them two rings like no one I have ever seen before.
i only clearly remember his last 4 titles
though i know i was watching in 91 and 92..but memories off bball are hazy before 93
I hear you man. As a kid I got every news paper from every bulls game during those 6 championships and I have every playoff run on VHS. I was an MJ Stan as a kid...big time Stan.
Yeah Lebron and Shaq are the most beaten up stars who didn't get tons of calls I have ever seen in the NBA. The shameful part about it is that Lebron got less calls in Miami and received a lot of violent hits that should have been flagrants and yet the refs were almost punishing him because the team was with two other stars in their primes.
Two things I have to respond though.
1. It is true, during those six championship runs, there were supporting role players that only have to do ONE thing and that was it, say like if it was Paxson, Kerr, or Hodges and shooting tre's, or Rodman and Hodges with the rebounding and all the dirty physical work, or Cartwright, Longley filling up space, and of course Pippen or Harper as wingmen. But IF the argument is players that WANT to build around Jordan or Lebron, and truth be told players DO want to play with Lebron to say like a Kobe.... but the same can be said, if not moreso with Jordan DUE to the fact t would guarantee a ring. Even Stacy King is grateful. The only thing that his teammates DID NOT LIKE is the fact that Jordan rode them harder than anyone because he wants his entire team to be on his level. And that's not what been the case with Lebron who acts like a "big brother" with this current Cavs team which is cool. But if it comes to which TEAM would have greater success if you build a player around on, it would be Jorden over Lebron. The supporting players wouldn't HAVE to do much except play their singular role. And even if they're slacking on their end, Jordan WON'T slack.... ever. Lebron, and this maybe his TRUE flaw in my eyes... is PASSIVE/AGGRESSIVE. If he really had that tunnel vision determination to go for the KILL every single NIGHT... then HE WOULD definitely be above Jordan, but he doesn't HAVE that killer instinct and many times, and that second to last game against the Hawks when it went into overtime, he had to FORCE HIMSELF to get that killer instinct because he really wanted to quit because of being hurt or tired. That's something Jordan would have completely disregard and go for that kill at will and ENSURE himself to be at peak physical conditioning so issues like cramping, or minor injuries and exhaustion would be limited.
2. I dunno how old you are, but Jordan's 3rd (straight) championship in my eyes was his GREATEST. This was the finals against the Suns to whom if you really wanted to be TECHNICAL was the BETTER TEAM in every way and category. And Jordan literally carried that team.. especially in game six in the 4th to get that championship... and this was Jordan at his HIGHEST ever... but the Bulls as a TEAM was inferior with the exception of MJ. They should of lost that series and had it went to a game 7 they COULD of.... Throw stats out the window and WATCH that series... that series alone will tell you enough as to why MJ will always be the GOAT.
You DO KNOW WHY Jordan created and perfected the turn around fadeaway jumper... BECAUSE he was tired of always getting slammed on the floor after driving to the hole, and no foul being called because it was LEGAL to have that kind of physical contact in those games.
In 1990-91 Jordan began to work with rookie Scott Williams on a post game. He did not perfect it until the 1992-93 season. He stated that he learned the post game to conserve energy and that driving to the hole took and toll on his body after 82 games and the playoffs.
When he came back after his first retirement he went to the post more. Due to him not having the same amount of endurance as before in his late 20s. Plus he wasn't as athletic before and could get to the hole as easily as he once could. Plus of course it saved energy.
Actually people argued for years that it was harder to build a team around Jordan than it was say magic and bird (who played like Lebron) who were more likely to involve their teammates in the game (if jordan passed to your ass a few times and you kept fukking up that was it you werent gonna get the ball again). Once again that bulls team does not get out the east without the multiple centers the bulls always had and power forwards who could rebound and play defense. Plus Scottie to guard the best wing player.
I saw all the bulls 6 runs and have all the championship games on vhs tape. Jordan avg 41 in the finals vs the suns he dominated marley. Beat thunder dan up so bad that they put KJ on him. Mj just went into the post and did fade away after fade away just as he did earlier in the reagular season in a game in phoenix.
But let's not act like he had to run the offense or guard Barkley. Horace, Cartwright and BJ were role players. But let's not act like pip was some role player. At this time the dude was probably the second best wing in the game and the 93 playoff run proved that he could play with pain (had a bad ankle) and score even when teams were physical.with him. The year before the knicks beat him.up. but this playoff run him and Jordan rely stepped up their games after being down 0-2 to the Knicks and won 4 straight. Pip hit clutch shot after clutch shot in game 6 to close out the Knicks. Folks in Chicago were once again questioning his toughness after the bulls were down 0-2.
Jordan dominated offensively, but pippen and Horace (especially pip) caused havoc on the defensive end against the suns.
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Why would any coach put Jordan a sg on Barkley a pf? Lebron being taller and a physically freak does not equate to being more skilled
MJ in Chicago averaged 8.7 FTA per game.
Bron is at 8.5 for his career.
MJ had 2 years going to the line more than 10 times a game.
Bron has done it 3 times.
What does that have to do with the ref showing favoritism, it made people guard him differently
stats don't tell the whole story, you skip bayless era nerds don't understand that
One of his most famous highlights should be an offensive foul called on him when he pushes off byron russell to make the game winning shot
This is true.
Series against Dallas was really the only time I felt he was lost. He's showed that instinct against Detroit, Boston, Chicago, San Antonio over the years, but its like sometimes he forgets how good he is. When that headband came off in game 6 against the Spurs
This is kind of silly. That was a Jordan like performance from Bron, end of story. No need to pick at it in any way. In fact Bron is currently doing some that Jordan never did in going to 4 straight finals so probably not fair to speculate as to what Jordan would or wouldn't have done at this point.
You really think the Suns were the better team? Seems like they were pretty close. I agree Jordan's greatest triumph though, he was insane in that series, it was basically Jordan vs. Barkley. I remember watching end of game 6 a few months back, didn't remember Phoenix choked it away.
KJ was 
. Low key I think that series is a big mark on his legacy.
Nah all this thread does is prove that most of you didn't watch Jordan play for most of his career. I don't need youtube highlights to definitively say that Jordan is better. He had a better all around game, better killer instinct, played against better competition, and is far more accomplished than Lebron will ever be.
Lebron is good no doubt, probably the best power forward who ever played, but jordan he is not or any where close to. There's a reason Jordan is the goat and you don't surpass that with what Lebron has done SO FAR.
So much terrible basketball knowledge in this thread. Some of y'all really should not ever discuss basketball on this forum ever again. To me, there are certain players that once they reach a point it's not an insult to say they'd pick one over another. If someone said they'd take D. Wade over Jordan I'd look at them like they just farted in an elevator, but if you think Laimbeer saying he'd take Bron over Jordan is saltiness then you need to stop typing. Bron is a legit all timer. It's not an argument anymore. Dude is on the pantheon and the same goes for taking Kareem, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Wilt, Bill, Big O, Bird, and possibly even Zeke over Jordan and I wouldn't bat an eye cause they're all on that level. Y'all weird ass obsession with Jordan goes too far sometimes.