Bill Maher shuts down Cornel West's stupidity equating Trump and Hillary

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it would follow that you ought to support a revolutionary break with the system/status quo and not accept it.
for me this is what it comes down to for all the people saying "no difference" in who you vote for.

problem is these internet revolutionaries ain't bout that action. advocating no participation without promoting and engaging an alternative isn't revolutionary. and there are better options to fight the power than not participate at all. can't win a fight from the sidelines.

any person with normal brain function understands a real revolution will require work from within the system. whether that be through influencing policy via representation and economic power or something more clandestine. people haven't stayed committed to the process on any front, but still complain about results.
 

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for me this is what it comes down to for all the people saying "no difference" in who you vote for.

problem is these internet revolutionaries ain't bout that action. advocating no participation without promoting and engaging an alternative isn't revolutionary. and there are better options to fight the power than not participate at all. can't win a fight from the sidelines.

any person with normal brain function understands a real revolution will require work from within the system. whether that be through influencing policy via representation and economic power or something more clandestine. people haven't stayed committed to the process on any front, but still complain about results.

I concur.
 

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Where did I advocate not voting?

Yall got me really re-reading my posts and shyt :pachaha:

You beating the shyt out of that strawman though :obama:
I take it you voted for Trump.


nikkas would vote for Christopher Columbus over Hitler and think they did good :mjgrin:



the founder of one of the those "Pro-Bernie social sites"


Democrats aren't our Messiah but we are their messiah especially when we give our vote directly to them off GP every election cycle without even asking for crumbs.

The same Democrats who've developed a very "republican-like" philosophy over the past couple of decades but if you even question their policies you're a c00n or cac.

"Benign Neglect" is an oxymoron

On the Russian conspiracy, there are too many lies being told and deceptiveness to actually take it serious on the behalf of the Mainstream Media and Establishment. Would it be good if we had a better president than Trump? (What you think :stopitslime:) And I can see how this whole idea of Trump being in collusion is intriguing, fascinating, and almost "24" or "Jason Bourne"-like. It was made to be that way. But I also am convinced there's a possibility that people innocently but ignorantly put on a pedestal as "heroes of information" like Rachel Maddow or vaguely humorous comedians like Stephen Colbert behind closed doors "love" Trump and probably actually voted for him:ehh:...at least for ratings and business-sake. The same way a lot of posters here aren't genuinely against Trump but see him as an outlet to receive daps and rep,
With that being said, an agenda (whatever it is) is more apparent on the side thats propagating this Russian conspiracy than those that are skeptical. The future might hold new concrete evidence that suggest collusion between Russia,Trump, and Wikileaks, but as of right now: :martin:
 

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You didn't reply to anything I said at all, I'm not defending O'Reily or Hannity.
So let me type again and I'll put it in bold for your benefit.

Why should he support a white policy enacting black puppet president if he rightly points out his policies are not goign to help black americans?

So please actually respond to the question

obama's policies did help black americans. you take for granted how conservative obstructionism and spite towards obama (both in public and private sector) were a constant roadblock. it's like you dudes have no foresight to accept how things can, will, and already are becoming worse under the trump admin than they would have been with clinton.

if you want to focus only on militarization of police you might have a point. it's one piece of a complicated puzzle.

you conveniently overlook trumps tax plans, policy shift on sentencing and law enforcement, influence on the courts, cutting funding to domestic programs essential to blacks, stance on healthcare, environment, the list goes on. this whole "they're the same" argument is so intellectually dishonest it's ridiculous we're even having this discussion.
 

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obama's policies did help black americans. you take for granted how conservative obstructionism and spite towards obama (both in public and private sector) were a constant roadblock. it's like you dudes have no foresight to accept how things can, will, and already are becoming worse under the trump admin than they would have been with clinton.

if you want to focus only on militarization of police you might have a point. it's one piece of a complicated puzzle.

you conveniently overlook trumps tax plans, policy shift on sentencing and law enforcement, influence on the courts, cutting funding to domestic programs essential to blacks, stance on healthcare, environment, the list goes on. this whole "they're the same" argument is so intellectually dishonest it's ridiculous we're even having this discussion.

Dude is a white supremacist
 

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Hillary, is better than Trump.

Hillary would not have put in Jeff Sessions

Hillary would not ignore police brutality, in so much as refusing to institute reforms and advance the ones Obama fought for

Hillary would not have instituted policies that ignored the poor and underrepresented. Her fukking right-hand is a muslim woman.

Do you all not realize this?
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obama's policies did help black americans. you take for granted how conservative obstructionism and spite towards obama (both in public and private sector) were a constant roadblock. it's like you dudes have no foresight to accept how things can, will, and already are becoming worse under the trump admin than they would have been with clinton.

if you want to focus only on militarization of police you might have a point. it's one piece of a complicated puzzle.

you conveniently overlook trumps tax plans, policy shift on sentencing and law enforcement, influence on the courts, cutting funding to domestic programs essential to blacks, stance on healthcare, environment, the list goes on. this whole "they're the same" argument is so intellectually dishonest it's ridiculous we're even having this discussion.
The wealth gap grew between blacks and whites during the Obama years:dwillhuh:
 

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Man I wasn't the biggest fan of Hilary, but I voted for her anyway. You wanna know why? Because I'm not a dumbass. Why not vote for someone who we could at least hold accountable if she didn't hold up her end of the deal. We can't hold up Trump. He don't give a fukk. His peers don't give a fukk. This false narrative that the two are the same gotta be laid to rest.
 
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