which is the whole point of the "re-draftables" yet a certain poster mad that nash eliminated kobe 2 years in a row and won MVPs keeps misunderstanding that, while ignoring the embarassing last few years of iverson's career on detroit and the grizz and the sympathy sixers.
Bill Simmons says he'll take Nash ahead of Iverson
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Suleiman Bey
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Iverson pioneered the pin downs the Iverson Cut as it’s known in modern offensive playbooks...
I wonder what circumstances it would take to make Iverson win. I think he needs to play with a guy like LeBron.
Does Iverson on the ‘07 Cavs with young LeBron knock off the Spurs?
How AI gonna play with Bron when they both ball hogs?
ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
@bold: wow, all this over disagreeing over a simple basketball debate
Take your sensitive fakkit ass on somewhere bytch if you cant handle a sports discussion.
its been established and you been given your answers why. The nikka was not given the opportunities, but when he had them he showed out hence him having AS appearances and all nba ones before his second Suns tenure.
Your ole overcompensating militant ass just can't accept facts. So this part of the discussion will not end, because you can't admit your arguments are thin and hold no weight.
Ans AI didnt accomplish more, their accomplishments are about the same altho Nash is more consistent. So, if anything he has the edge.
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Aww word? Yeah aiight, so I'm gonna have to end our conversation here because apparently you lived in an alternate reality... You're gone even further than Simmons and Rusillo who spent the first 20 minutes or so of the podcast prefacing how they know it wasn't conventional wisdom that Nash was a better player than Ivo and making arguments why people should consider he was...the NBA media has done to AI what they did to Melo where they've consistently taken shots at him in his post-prime to lower his stature...guess this is that next step where we pretend they were never considered among the best in the game in the first place...
but yeah you got it man, Nash has always been considered better than Iverson and we've always been at war with Eastasia
Not even sure how this random accepted fact even spawned 400 replies
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Aww word? Yeah aiight, so I'm gonna have to end our conversation here because apparently you lived in an alternate reality... You're gone even further than Simmons and Rusillo who spent the first 20 minutes or so of the podcast prefacing how they know it wasn't conventional wisdom that Nash was a better player than Ivo and making arguments why people should consider he was...the NBA media has done to AI what they did to Melo where they've consistently taken shots at him in his post-prime to lower his stature...guess this is that next step where we pretend they were never considered among the best in the game in the first place...
but yeah you got it man, Nash has always been considered better than Iverson and we've always been at war with Eastasia
Not even sure how this random accepted fact even spawned 400 replies
I still don't know when it was conventional wisdom that Iverson was better than Nash. Simmons and Russillo overstate how many people would pick Iverson over Nash in the interest of building a balanced offense where everyone eats and Nash fitting the profile of a "traditional PG" that many obsess over. I'm not going off what they're saying at all and not framing my arguments around their logic.
What do you think Allen Iverson's rightful stature is as a player all time away from media bias? How about as a shooting guard or point guard, whatever you think he's at. Same with Carmelo at SF. Do you think they're being shortchanged because of media perception or maybe it has to do with legitimate criticism with careers and concerns about their fit on great teams.
Interesting that you mention Carmelo who can also be overrated by the casual audience. There was a time people thought he was a better scorer than Durant because of versatility (ignoring the huge difference in slashing). That's been a joke. Media didn't make him struggle with shooting consistency in the postseason because his game was so reliant on contested shot making and the media didn't make him a limited passer. He had real flaws that prevented him from being better as a player, though he was still very talented. You can criticize both these guys against common belief without underrating or disrespecting anyone.
Long Live The Kane
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Crazy that this is literally the first time I've seen Marion get his flowers like this, legit shocked they picked him over Ginobili and gave him his props for his defense and him being a championship piece on Mavs team that beat the Heatles
100% but logic, common sense and rationality left this thread pages ago.
Bigblackted4
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Iverson pioneered the pin downs the Iverson Cut as it’s known in modern offensive playbooks...
I wonder what circumstances it would take to make Iverson win. I think he needs to play with a guy like LeBron.
Does Iverson on the ‘07 Cavs with young LeBron knock off the Spurs?
He’d need Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, he needs that’d dominate big that doesn’t need touches like a wing.
Bigblackted4
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Nash was the point on the number 1 offense like 9 of 10 years in his prime. I remember when Amare got hurt and they still almost made the finals.
Long Live The Kane
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Amare's Right Hook
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I'll take the one without tattoos.
