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Billboard: TLOP could've sold 400k
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Haven't heard it
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Not going back to utorrent and not switching streaming apps just for this
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Rapmastermind
Superstar
Guys Ye is not 53 Million in Debt. He's worth 80-100 Milli as well as Kim, plus his Big Brother is worth hundreds of millions. I believe his point was that 53 Milli was what he spent on all his fashion endeavors over the years. He spent his own money to lauch his fashion career. So for future ideas he wants investors instead of dropping his own money.
400k is only a prediction.
Someone actually selling 400k first week during these days would probably be considered A list.
Kanye is A-, B+ list. He got knocked down. His wife and his outbursts have brought him down in the eyes of people. That and his last album was trash.
Drake is A. Jay Z is A.
Cole is B+. Kendrick is A-/B+.
Rihanna is A Beyonce is A
Nicki is A-/B+
Everyone else is C or D.
F would be reality tv people.
joeychizzle
光復香港，時代革命
Claim to be in debt but refuse to your album on sale in stores brehs.
Warhol and Disney wouldn't do that
Warhol and Disney wouldn't do that
Big Mel
@bigboss
Internets,
The other day, I was taking a look at a blog post in which someone had posted the credits for Kanye West's the Life of Pablum, seemingly taken from the booklet that comes with the album, but since the Life of Pablum isn't an actual album you can buy, as far as I know, maybe it came from his website or even Tidal, and it occurred to me, If Kanye West really is $53 million in "personal debt," I can't imagine the Life of Pablum will help matters.
You're certainly free to go through and count the number of contributors, if you've got that kind of time. At a glance, this album seems to have been worked on by as many people as Yeezus, which, as I vaguely recall from having written about it in Kanye West Superstar, had upwards of 60 songwriters, producers and what have you, with the difference here being that the Life of Pablum seems to have more guest vocalists than Yeezus, which was mostly just Kanye.
Keep in mind, I'm basing this on a cursory look at the album's credits, which had been presented as a slideshow that I wasn't about to "watch" all the way through. I haven't had a chance to listen to the album for a number of reasons, including the fact that I don't have Tidal, and I'm pressed for time these days. I got Yeezus for free a few years ago, when Google was giving it away, and listened to it a couple of times, shortly before I began work on my Kanye book. I found it to be easily the most interesting Kanye album, if not anything I necessarily need to hear again.
I wonder how Kanye gets so many people to work on his album. Usually labels are reticent to shell out for high priced collaborators for even the few artists left with truly viable careers on a major label these days. If I'm Def Jam, why would I spend god knows how much money cutting checks to each and every person who worked on the Life of Pablum, when you can't listen to it (legally) anywhere other than Tidal? I might as well stick my dikk in a blender.
Hardly anyone has Tidal. The service claims to have one million users, but supposedly that number might be fake. That's compared to 30 million users for Spotify, and 11 million users for Apple Music, which has only been around for seven months. Tidal, lest we forget, was around for years before Jay Z bought it. Er, before Jay Z was announced as its black nominal figurehead.
If people are constantly complaining about how Spotify doesn't pay Jack Schitt, which, lest we forget, was one of the reasons Tidal was formed, and Spotify has 30 million users, imagine how little people must be making from Tidal. Yeah, part of the reason Spotify has so many users is because, like water, it's free, even in mobile, but even the free version must generate some income. Otherwise what's the point of the ads, to troll people?
If Kanye got all those people to contribute for free, for a cut of the royalties, then he's a genius, because obviously there's not about to be any royalties. Maybe once upon a time that wouldn't have been such a bad deal. The first few Kanye albums came out when people were still buying music. Rhymefest won a Grammy for writing "Jesus Walks." I'm not sure what those things are made of. Even if the metal has no intrinsic value, it might make a nifty collector's item. Does it have Kanye's name on it, or just Rhymefest's? If he'd been thinking, he would have insisted on the former.
I don't know any more about rappers' personal finances than the people who write Forbes' hip-hop content, but it doesn't seem inconceivable to me that Kanye could be up to his eyeballs, i.e. 5'6" deep, in debt. He's been pulling this shyt his whole career, working with boatloads of ghostwriters and producers, shelling out for his own music videos, touring with expensive sets and sound equipment. 50 Cent filed for bankruptcy last year, and Kanye never had any huge business deals like Fiddy. Obviously 'Ye wasn't in a position to demand much from Adidas, after having already been dropped by Nike.
The real question here is, how come he can't just get that money from Kim Kardashian. The other day, he went on Twitter and asked Mark Zuckerberg to divert a billion dollars that may have otherwise been donated to Africa. (I'm all for not throwing good money after bad, especially Nigeria. LOL) If I'm Mark Zuckerberg, I'm asking myself, Why would I donate money to someone whose own wife won't cut him a check? Did he even ask?
If he did, and she said no, it might be time for him to reevaluate their relationship. He's already got two kids by her (thus ruining her vagine). She's got enough money that he won't have to cut her a check to take care of them, and he's supposedly broke anyway. She's got, quite literally, money out the ass. If she can't let him hold something, I'm at a loss for what she brings to the table.
Take it easy on yourself,
Bol
http://www.amazon.com/author/byroncrawford
The other day, I was taking a look at a blog post in which someone had posted the credits for Kanye West's the Life of Pablum, seemingly taken from the booklet that comes with the album, but since the Life of Pablum isn't an actual album you can buy, as far as I know, maybe it came from his website or even Tidal, and it occurred to me, If Kanye West really is $53 million in "personal debt," I can't imagine the Life of Pablum will help matters.
You're certainly free to go through and count the number of contributors, if you've got that kind of time. At a glance, this album seems to have been worked on by as many people as Yeezus, which, as I vaguely recall from having written about it in Kanye West Superstar, had upwards of 60 songwriters, producers and what have you, with the difference here being that the Life of Pablum seems to have more guest vocalists than Yeezus, which was mostly just Kanye.
Keep in mind, I'm basing this on a cursory look at the album's credits, which had been presented as a slideshow that I wasn't about to "watch" all the way through. I haven't had a chance to listen to the album for a number of reasons, including the fact that I don't have Tidal, and I'm pressed for time these days. I got Yeezus for free a few years ago, when Google was giving it away, and listened to it a couple of times, shortly before I began work on my Kanye book. I found it to be easily the most interesting Kanye album, if not anything I necessarily need to hear again.
I wonder how Kanye gets so many people to work on his album. Usually labels are reticent to shell out for high priced collaborators for even the few artists left with truly viable careers on a major label these days. If I'm Def Jam, why would I spend god knows how much money cutting checks to each and every person who worked on the Life of Pablum, when you can't listen to it (legally) anywhere other than Tidal? I might as well stick my dikk in a blender.
Hardly anyone has Tidal. The service claims to have one million users, but supposedly that number might be fake. That's compared to 30 million users for Spotify, and 11 million users for Apple Music, which has only been around for seven months. Tidal, lest we forget, was around for years before Jay Z bought it. Er, before Jay Z was announced as its black nominal figurehead.
If people are constantly complaining about how Spotify doesn't pay Jack Schitt, which, lest we forget, was one of the reasons Tidal was formed, and Spotify has 30 million users, imagine how little people must be making from Tidal. Yeah, part of the reason Spotify has so many users is because, like water, it's free, even in mobile, but even the free version must generate some income. Otherwise what's the point of the ads, to troll people?
If Kanye got all those people to contribute for free, for a cut of the royalties, then he's a genius, because obviously there's not about to be any royalties. Maybe once upon a time that wouldn't have been such a bad deal. The first few Kanye albums came out when people were still buying music. Rhymefest won a Grammy for writing "Jesus Walks." I'm not sure what those things are made of. Even if the metal has no intrinsic value, it might make a nifty collector's item. Does it have Kanye's name on it, or just Rhymefest's? If he'd been thinking, he would have insisted on the former.
I don't know any more about rappers' personal finances than the people who write Forbes' hip-hop content, but it doesn't seem inconceivable to me that Kanye could be up to his eyeballs, i.e. 5'6" deep, in debt. He's been pulling this shyt his whole career, working with boatloads of ghostwriters and producers, shelling out for his own music videos, touring with expensive sets and sound equipment. 50 Cent filed for bankruptcy last year, and Kanye never had any huge business deals like Fiddy. Obviously 'Ye wasn't in a position to demand much from Adidas, after having already been dropped by Nike.
The real question here is, how come he can't just get that money from Kim Kardashian. The other day, he went on Twitter and asked Mark Zuckerberg to divert a billion dollars that may have otherwise been donated to Africa. (I'm all for not throwing good money after bad, especially Nigeria. LOL) If I'm Mark Zuckerberg, I'm asking myself, Why would I donate money to someone whose own wife won't cut him a check? Did he even ask?
If he did, and she said no, it might be time for him to reevaluate their relationship. He's already got two kids by her (thus ruining her vagine). She's got enough money that he won't have to cut her a check to take care of them, and he's supposedly broke anyway. She's got, quite literally, money out the ass. If she can't let him hold something, I'm at a loss for what she brings to the table.
Take it easy on yourself,
Bol
http://www.amazon.com/author/byroncrawford
You are the only dummy I see here. Maybe you and tidal/jayz should enroll in some marketing/business classes. Then come back and read this to see where you and tidal fcked up.
People can make whatever they want, that doesn't mean it will be successful and profitable. That phone would have to be able to do some amazing things that are not in any other phone. It would have to look great as well. It would need something to help it seem "cool" b/c rn majority of people are #teamiphone #teamandroid (galaxy). Anyone with anything other than that is considered an outcast. If not, It wouldn't be smart/wise/profitable to start a new phone brand since apple and samsung are dominating. You could focus on affordablility, but that would be pointless as well b/c there are already so many other phones out there that are much cheaper. No one wants or needs a new phone company.
Just to be clear, since you seem not to know/understand what you're talking about. Samsung or apple coming out with a new phone is not the same thing as someone coming out now while they are dominating and starting something new, from the ground up, while it is not needed or wanted. Especially if it isn't offering anything new/different.
I don't know much about cars, but I'm pretty sure a new brand of cars would be pointless unless they are offering something/new different. The first line of flying cars? Sure that would do well. Coming out with cars that are no different than any other car, right now would be pointles. There are already so many different well known brands. Someone trying to compete with "the big three" in the u.s. (ford, general motors, chrystler) probably wouldn't do so well. People already know and trust those 3. They've been around since the early 1900s
You are right, tidal hasn't been getting anywhere and will never get/go anywhere. No one wants it.
Exlcusives and free trials don't work. People will sign up to the the exclusive, use that free trial, cancel, and then sign up again when the next exclusive comes out. Why do you think tidal was stealing from people lol. Jayz will eventually (after many more tidal flops/fails) sale it when he isn't too prideful enough to take his L and move on.
Spotify has been out since 2006. These new streaming services came out in what, 2015? Everyone who was interested in streaming music is already with spotify. There is nothing different about tidal other than the little "exclusive" videos and songs, but nothing is really exclusive on the internet. Anything can be stolen. They should know this by now that people steal music/music videos, so exclusives would never work. The only thing they have to work with is the concerts, but as I have already stated, people can sign up around the time for free, then cancel and sign up again for the next "exclusive. Tidal is not cheaper than the others and it does basically the same thing or less. It has nothing to set it apart from the other services. If people switch over they will have to give up their playlists or whatever that they've had for years now. They have no reason to switch over.
Apple has stuff to work with though since they have iphones and itunes. They have a much better chance if they can use iphones/itunes somehow to help their streaming services.
There are terms for most of the stuff that I said, but I didn't used them b/c then you'd probably be googling. Most of this is common sense (to me at least), but if you're having troubles with it like you seem to be since you called me a dummy when you are the one who doesn't know what you're talking about, then maybe you should enroll in some marketing/business classes as I suggested earlier.
Yesus was his worst album ever. I don't even think it went platinum until the RIAA redid their certifications. Kanye has so many writers and usues so many samples that he barely gets anything from it. The tours are the only thing he has & idk if those do well. I know last time he had good opening acts. Idk about this one.
wow .... theres stupid and theres really stupid ....
your diatribe just proved your ignorance ....
people go into business to make a profit dummy, whether the product is needed or not is irrelevant , thats why you have people that will pay over a million dollars for a Bugatti.... dumbass
since when has affordability had to do with anything? ever heard of premium products
but somehow in your retarded mind because there is one streaming outlet, all the others should cease
asinine and stupid argument.... ever heard of freedom of choice
are all your clothes the same brand?
stupid bytch..... I would have more respect for you If you are real.... motherfukkers tying themselves in knots trying to see a black man fail but trying to dress it up as something else
your parents failed you..
at least you had the sense to your stupidity in spoilers
It's too late now. Tidal ruined it. Just like they messed up with Rih, but luckily rih was smart and still got paid b/c of samsung. Kanye is missing out on a lot of money and he really seemed to need it since he loss 53million. His main way to earn anymoney rn was through his music. I don't think he has any endorsment deals and probably won't be getting any anytime soon since the taylor swift thing. By the time his album gets on itunes and in stores where more people can get it, it'll be too late. Everyone will have gotten it illegally by then. It'll probably be on youtube already as well. Rih's whole anti is on there.
Tidal needs to learn that exclusives will not work. They should know that by now. The artists involved are just missing out on money. I hope that Cole doesn't have to release his next work on there exclusively, I know he won't have to if it's a collab with kendrick.
They better release beyonce's album as an exclusive as well. If she doesn't, it'll be clear that it's sabatoge. Maybe after her album doesn't do well, they'll stop trying with the exclusives. If she does do it as an exclusive, it gives her an excuse to try new things, I guess, like the crappy lyrics with beats to dance to. Similar to formation.
Anyway. Tidal sucks, as usual
People need to stop making streaming services b/c obviously, everyone is ok with spotify. What they need to do is figure out how to get paid more for streaming. They should also figure out how to stop or slow down people from stealing it. Getting more money from streaming seems much easier though.
KeysT
Playa from the Himalayas #ByrdGang
Just because you can get it for free after a trial does not mean people want to go through the hassle of signing up. Just because you are on a hip hop board and up on the latest music doesn't mean everyone is up on new releases. Most of the people I know haven't heard it either.People in here saying their friends haven't heard TLOP yetanyone in the world can listen to it FREE by doing a Tidal trial. nikkas in here hating just to hate.
Nigerianwonder
Superstar
But you will go through the hassle of searching for torrents and transferring files and begging folks on here to PM links... It takes about 60 seconds to get the app and sign up. It takes way more work and hassle to bootleg and steal music these days.
@Todd McPiff @Nigerianwonder
@Nemesis
I see this post shut you up. You must know how foolish you are know.
Luxury cars are not the same thing as a streaming service. Luxury cars are a want for rich people who can afford them. Their selling point is differentiation (and exclusivity b/c not everyone can afford them), they don't have to be affordable.
People go into business to make a profit. You can not make a profit if no one wants or needs your product or service. No one will want your product if it's no different than what is already out there or if they don't save more money by using your product (affordability).
Now I will copy and paste some of my post about tidal b/c I don't feel like retyping it.
Exlcusives and free trials don't work. People will sign up to the the exclusive, use that free trial, cancel, and then sign up again when the next exclusive comes out. Why do you think tidal was stealing from people lol. Jayz will eventually (after many more tidal flops/fails) sale it when he isn't too prideful enough to take his L and move on.
Spotify has been out since 2006. These new streaming services (apple, tidal) came out in what, 2015? Everyone who was interested in streaming music is already with spotify or the less popular services. There is nothing different about tidal other than the little "exclusive" videos and songs, but nothing is really exclusive on the internet. Anything can be stolen. They should know this by now that people steal music/music videos, so music/video exclusives would never work. The only thing they have to work with is the concerts, but as I have already stated, people can sign up around the time for free, then cancel and sign up again for the next "exclusive" using different cards and email addresses. Tidal is not cheaper than the others and it does basically the same thing or less. It has nothing to set it apart from the other services. If people switch over they will have to give up their playlists or whatever that they've had for years now. They have no reason to switch over.
Apple has stuff to work with though since they have iphones and itunes. They have a much better chance if they can use iphones/itunes somehow to help their streaming services.
Comparison of on-demand streaming music services - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I will also add that Spotify was never the only streaming service (look at the chart in thewiki link of all of the other streaming services that have been around that you've never even heard of). It was just the most popular one. The only one who was able to make a name for itself out of the many others that got started around the same time it did. Apple and tidal are newer. Apple is the only one that has a chance since it has iphones and itunes that it can use and people love the apple brand so much. Tidal has nothing nothing different to offer (that can't be stolen) and it isn't the most affordable. People also do not want to swith over b/c they will lose their spotify playlist that they've had for years (I think I said this already).
You seem to be pretty emotionally involved in this, calling me dumb and everything else. lol It's not my fault you don't understand marketing/business. Maybe you should take some classes since you're so bothered or use google if you still don't understand. & This has nothing to do with "trying to see a black man fail" or being against black people. Jay Z stans love to use that little line. You can continue to believe that though
@Nemesis
I see this post shut you up. You must know how foolish you are know.
Luxury cars are not the same thing as a streaming service. Luxury cars are a want for rich people who can afford them. Their selling point is differentiation (and exclusivity b/c not everyone can afford them), they don't have to be affordable.
People go into business to make a profit. You can not make a profit if no one wants or needs your product or service. No one will want your product if it's no different than what is already out there or if they don't save more money by using your product (affordability).
Now I will copy and paste some of my post about tidal b/c I don't feel like retyping it.
Exlcusives and free trials don't work. People will sign up to the the exclusive, use that free trial, cancel, and then sign up again when the next exclusive comes out. Why do you think tidal was stealing from people lol. Jayz will eventually (after many more tidal flops/fails) sale it when he isn't too prideful enough to take his L and move on.
Spotify has been out since 2006. These new streaming services (apple, tidal) came out in what, 2015? Everyone who was interested in streaming music is already with spotify or the less popular services. There is nothing different about tidal other than the little "exclusive" videos and songs, but nothing is really exclusive on the internet. Anything can be stolen. They should know this by now that people steal music/music videos, so music/video exclusives would never work. The only thing they have to work with is the concerts, but as I have already stated, people can sign up around the time for free, then cancel and sign up again for the next "exclusive" using different cards and email addresses. Tidal is not cheaper than the others and it does basically the same thing or less. It has nothing to set it apart from the other services. If people switch over they will have to give up their playlists or whatever that they've had for years now. They have no reason to switch over.
Apple has stuff to work with though since they have iphones and itunes. They have a much better chance if they can use iphones/itunes somehow to help their streaming services.
Comparison of on-demand streaming music services - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I will also add that Spotify was never the only streaming service (look at the chart in thewiki link of all of the other streaming services that have been around that you've never even heard of). It was just the most popular one. The only one who was able to make a name for itself out of the many others that got started around the same time it did. Apple and tidal are newer. Apple is the only one that has a chance since it has iphones and itunes that it can use and people love the apple brand so much. Tidal has nothing nothing different to offer (that can't be stolen) and it isn't the most affordable. People also do not want to swith over b/c they will lose their spotify playlist that they've had for years (I think I said this already).
You seem to be pretty emotionally involved in this, calling me dumb and everything else. lol It's not my fault you don't understand marketing/business. Maybe you should take some classes since you're so bothered or use google if you still don't understand. & This has nothing to do with "trying to see a black man fail" or being against black people. Jay Z stans love to use that little line. You can continue to believe that though
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Man some of ya'll make it sound like downloading Tidal is as difficult as doing your taxes. It literally takes 10 seconds, and it was #1 in the Apple app store most of last week, so a lot of people got it. Not to mention TLOP was downloaded illegally at least half a million times. If most of the people you know haven't heard it yet then I have to question what kind of herbs you are actually associating with
KeysT
Playa from the Himalayas #ByrdGang
I have Spotify so not stealing music. That's the point.
JerseyBoy23
Veteran
This article just made me think of something else. Is there any word on how many tickets Yeezy Season 3 sold? I know MSG was sold out and it was shown in theaters across the world.
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