Black chef opens Hush Harbor, DC's 1st phone-free bar

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Thats a speakeasy bar. their intent is to kind of keep it a secret and limit it to word of mouth only. Makes sense not to allow cell phones there
How is its intent to remain a secret when it has multiple articles and features written on it, a yelp page, a IG page, and a well known a$$hole owner :dead: .
It's a marketing approach , just like this DC bar.
 

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I hear you. I don't mind the attempt. Let's see what happens. I would like to check it out and see if it really changes the atmosphere. If it does, he might be on to something. And I don't think comedians only do it to protect their material. I think a byproduct of them doing it is that the audience is more engaged. It helps the energy in the room......well, I'm assuming it does. I mean, it has to.
I just saw Tony Roberts on Friday. They asked to please keep cell phone use to a “minimum”. Lady at our table recorded his whole set.
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People are a$$holes.
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Personally, I love the idea and if I were single I’d be all for it. What’s the point of going to a bar if you’re going to be in your phone all night.

Now, when I was solo, I’d hit up my neighborhood bar/strip club just to unwind before going home. That’s when I’d have an issue with no phones.

Point is like somebody stated, you don’t have to go.
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Regardless shooters shoot phone, no phone, girlfriends, etc. shooters don’t care what their target is doing.
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How is its intent to remain a secret when it has multiple articles and features written on it, a yelp page, a IG page, and a well known a$$hole owner :dead: .
It's a marketing approach , just like this DC bar.
breh, thats not an opinion its literally a speakeasy bar. Google the restaurant.

The point of speakeasies to be secret, like secret knock, give a password to the doorman to get in secret.
 

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Its just a shame that so many black restaurant owners put themselves out of business or limit their growth, with these power trips. Trying to raise their patrons instead of serve them.

There are so many sides to this though.

1) You just trying to sell some Turkey Legs and your customers come to your establishment like this.

NSFW



Or

2) You just tryna sell some drinks and some Southern-ish type food (shame on the business owner for having a DJ though)


Or

3) You don't even put your name on the place, but word gets out that you're a part owner


It don't take but 1 or 2 incidents to mess your game up. Food* places are already tight margins as it is, on top of so much operational complexity (and liability). *Not that you can tell by the over the top pricing.

So if you're a Black bar, club, restaurant owner - you can't really win because your business model is especially fragile, because you are BLACK. Some folks will use your blackness to get real familiar in a way that they would not with any other group. There's some upside to the idea that so and so is family, but a whole lot of downside....

And it's not always about rich vs poor, educated vs un-educated, civilized vs "savage"

In DC, you can't even PRICE out the socially disruptive. The worst ones be Loud, Wrong, and Rich. (and often connected)

DC brehs can verify, but I'll be out with 6 figure Figgas and Ladies, and
  • They sending stuff back to the kitchen, cause ain't enough lemon on the lemon pepper
  • Pinching and bargaining over every penny on the check
    • I ain't order that
      • but you had a taste of it
        • that don't mean I'm chipping in
  • Saying she ain't really that good of a waitress, so 11% tip...
They acting like Indian Hiring Managers when it comes to being decent customers.

And these folks (my peers, my homies, the chicks I date and deal with) be the first to start yapping about how other Black folks is such and such....

Every last one of them can code switch....can get on code....but when Blacks is running the businesses the patronize.....

All that to say - I understand when Black Business Owners SPEAK THE UNSPOKEN RULES.

I get it. It makes sense to me.

I also get that it doesn't actually work.
 

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There are so many sides to this though.

1) You just trying to sell some Turkey Legs and your customers come to your establishment like this.

NSFW



Or

2) You just tryna sell some drinks and some Southern-ish type food (shame on the business owner for having a DJ though)


Or

3) You don't even put your name on the place, but word gets out that you're a part owner


It don't take but 1 or 2 incidents to mess your game up. Food* places are already tight margins as it is, on top of so much operational complexity (and liability). *Not that you can tell by the over the top pricing.

So if you're a Black bar, club, restaurant owner - you can't really win because your business model is especially fragile, because you are BLACK. Some folks will use your blackness to get real familiar in a way that they would not with any other group. There's some upside to the idea that so and so is family, but a whole lot of downside....

And it's not always about rich vs poor, educated vs un-educated, civilized vs "savage"

In DC, you can't even PRICE out the socially disruptive. The worst ones be Loud, Wrong, and Rich. (and often connected)

DC brehs can verify, but I'll be out with 6 figure Figgas and Ladies, and
  • They sending stuff back to the kitchen, cause ain't enough lemon on the lemon pepper
  • Pinching and bargaining over every penny on the check
    • I ain't order that
      • but you had a taste of it
        • that don't mean I'm chipping in
  • Saying she ain't really that good of a waitress, so 11% tip...
They acting like Indian Hiring Managers when it comes to being decent customers.

And these folks (my peers, my homies, the chicks I date and deal with) be the first to start yapping about how other Black folks is such and such....

Every last one of them can code switch....can get on code....but when Blacks is running the businesses the patronize.....

All that to say - I understand when Black Business Owners SPEAK THE UNSPOKEN RULES.

I get it. It makes sense to me.

I also get that it doesn't actually work.

Would be better service to deal with each case one by one, then becoming a full on dictator to everybody.

Think about it in school back in the day. You had one kid in the back constantly talking. I have some teachers who would just kick him out of class and keep it moving. Some would just ignore him and let him fail the class since he ain't listening.

the teachers the bothered me the most was the ones who stopped class entirely. And wouldn't continue until the talking stopped. Thats this guy.
Now you punishing all of us for the actions of one person. The teacher assumed everyone would collectively blame the misbehaving student but we were more annoyed by the teacher
 

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Would be better service to deal with each case one by one, then becoming a full on dictator to everybody.

Think about it in school back in the day. You had one kid in the back constantly talking. I have some teachers who would just kick him out of class and keep it moving. Some would just ignore him and let him fail the class since he ain't listening.

the teachers the bothered me the most was the ones who stopped class entirely. And wouldn't continue until the talking stopped. Thats this guy.
Now you punishing all of us for the actions of one person. The teacher assumed everyone would collectively blame the misbehaving student but we were more annoyed by the teacher

I get that, I'm just saying it's two sides to it.

This ain't a class room though. I'm not gonna get sidelined in pointing out how the analogy doesn't work, what I am trying to say is

Hush dude is trying to create a no-phone environment, because he wants his customers to talk to each other. (it's literally in the linked IG)

Before no-phones, it was black business owners enforcing "no sneakers, no ball caps, no baggy jeans" aka "dress to impress" (now when a dress code is used at white places....)

Is top down better than a case by case?

How would he even do a case by case in this situation?

Say Slim, you been staring at your phone too long, holla at that dark skin sista over there?
 

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so you admit he has already lost two potential customers because of this. Meanwhile you probably still have no problem eating at places without this policy.
Net loss it seems like
Yeah. He lost you as a customer, but others in the thread seem to want to check it out. No way to say how many customers he gained because they thought the idea was novel. And, if it works, he'll gain even more. That's already a tough business so he's already up against it. But if he thinks the idea is worth taking the shot I stand by him. I hope it works out for him.
 

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I get that, I'm just saying it's two sides to it.

This ain't a class room though. I'm not gonna get sidelined in pointing out how the analogy doesn't work, what I am trying to say is

Hush dude is trying to create a no-phone environment, because he wants his customers to talk to each other. (it's literally in the linked IG)

Before no-phones, it was black business owners enforcing "no sneakers, no ball caps, no baggy jeans" aka "dress to impress" (now when a dress code is used at white places....)

Is top down better than a case by case?

How would he even do a case by case in this situation?

Say Slim, you been staring at your phone too long, holla at that dark skin sista over there?
The analogy doesn't have to work it has to explain how i feel. If you punish or dictate to everybody i'm annoyed by the dictator. If you just focus on the individuals only, i'm annoyed only by those particular people.
not sure why he need his customers to talk to each other though.. I avoid those communal family style seating restaurants too. Not trying watch stranger talk and chew with their mouths open while i eat.
 

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If you don't understand why a bar owner would want his customers to talk to each other, we're not really working with the same set of assumptions.
didn't know it was a bar. But even then thats kinda stupid. I mean yes, i would want my customers in a bar to talk to each other. treat my place like a hangout.
But those people might want to hook up or meet girls at the bar, You gonna have to carry a pencil and paper to get numbers? or hope they leave with you.
Still seems like an annoying gimmick that people will get tired up.

Honestly i'm shocked you are arguing in favor of people conficating your phone. I've never seen anyone enjoy that in real life. no matter the logic behind it
 
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