Black college admissions falling from 13% to 5% at M.I.T

[Professor Emeritus]

I disagree with this assessment. If you have the guidance to apply to MIT I’m willing to bet those kids still ended up at great universities. Since most of these universities target and get applicants from the northeast there’s a good chance these kids ended up at Pitt, UConn, Stonybrook, University Of Maryland or high level private universities like Boston university, Boston college, NYU, etc

Why are you sure they got into those schools? Many of those universities have acceptance rates down around 10% and average SAT scores approaching 1500 (some of them are higher). I can't find Black acceptance numbers for the class of 2028 for any of them, but UConn reports that their % of underrepresented minorities dropped this year.


In the past, a Black prospect with a 1400 SAT and a solid all-around application would have had a decent chance of getting into MIT. Now with the Supreme Court decision, it's not at all implausible that a student like that could end up slipping through the cracks at all the elite schools in this "race-blind" era.

 

[gldnone913]

All those "but it's only 1000 kids at MIT" takes are looking stupid when we're seeing the same trends across the country.






How many extra HBCU slots were available at HBCUs that are competitive enough to attract the top graduates? Yeah, some of them went to Morehouse, Spelman, Clark Atlanta, Howard, Hampton, maybe Florida A&M.....but after that?

The majority of Black kids who got denied from elite schools didn't end up at HBCU's, then ended up at middle-tier liberal arts colleges and state schools.







I'm not sure that's true in this climate.

Considering the numbers we're seeing, I'd bet there are Black kids who applied to MIT, Stanford, Columbia, Cornell, Johns Hopkins, Michigan and Georgia Tech but didn't get accepted to any of them.. Maybe they got into Purdue or Rose-Hulman.

I'm older, but there have always been kids that go to HBCUs that got into elite universities. I see your point though regarding the number of slots at HBCUs, but if Black kids aren't applying to/getting admitted to these elite universities and deciding to go to HBCUs, they're going to get into these HBCUs and the kids that might've been borderline admissions at these schools would probably not get in. For example, an organization I work with was doing a scholarship drive, and there was a young man w a 4.5 GPA, a transcript of AP/advanced classes and extracurriculars. I don't recall standardized test scores. Either way, he decided to go to Howard. I'm sure he could've gotten into another school and for the record, I'm not sure of admissions requirements for these elite schools.

Also, re: 2nd - 4th choice, I was going off the assumption that MIT might be your 1st choice, you might have UNC Chapel Hill, NYU, etc as your next choices versus another elite/Ivy. But to your point, if there are Black kids that meet the application criteria for all of the universities you listed and didn't get into any of them?? Yeah that's a real problem.

 

[The Plug]

Well it's not all bad news

In first Yale class since the end of affirmative action, Black and Latine enrollment share remains stable, while Asian American decreases

In the class of 2028, the first to be admitted after the fall of affirmative action in college admissions, there was a decrease in the share of Asian American students, while the enrollment of white students rose. Other racial demographic groups remained largely the same.

yaledailynews.com

Princeton enrollment untouched by affirmative action ban

The first Princeton class admitted following the Supreme Court decision banning race-conscious affirmative action has experienced little change in racial diversity, according to enrollment statistics released by the University on Wednesday.

www.dailyprincetonian.com

 

[Rick Fox at UNC]

Treacherous c00ns.

Our opportunities and our rights are being openly taken by Republicans and some mentally challenged Black folk claim they support Trump.

Or pretend to be #bothsides when they are actually MAGAts.

Help me understand how it is a right to attend MIT or any other prestigious university. Then help me understand how that right is being taken away from black (and only black) people?

Then help me understand why other groups are able to do so.

 

[TheJet]

Help me understand how it is a right to attend MIT or any other prestigious university. Then help me understand how that right is being taken away from black (and only black) people?

Then help me understand why other groups are able to do so.

Help yourself to some damn Googles

 

[Rick Fox at UNC]

Help yourself to some damn Googles

No, I'm asking the person who made the statement.

Besides, Google doesn't have the answer.

 

[Ghost Utmost]

Help me understand how it is a right to attend MIT or any other prestigious university. Then help me understand how that right is being taken away from black (and only black) people?

Then help me understand why other groups are able to do so.

Racism

Racism

Racism and


Racism

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Help me understand how it is a right to attend MIT or any other prestigious university. Then help me understand how that right is being taken away from black (and only black) people?

Then help me understand why other groups are able to do so.

You're not looking to gain an understanding, you're just trying to be your usual anti-Black troll self. fukk off.

 

[Rick Fox at UNC]

You're not looking to gain an understanding, you're just trying to be your usual anti-Black troll self. fukk off.

All of this is what people say when they have no argument. There are compelling arguments, but the right to go to MIT...what?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

All of this is what people say when they have no argument. There are compelling arguments, but the right to go to MIT...what?

He didn't say that, dumbass. He said, "Our opportunities and our rights are being openly taken by Republicans and some mentally challenged Black folk claim they support Trump." He's discussing opportunities (like going to elite colleges, getting student loans forgiven, and getting grants for black farmers) and rights (like getting equal voting representation or being protected from abusive police).

You just completely ignored the "opportunities" part of that sentence and then pretended you didn't know about any rights being taken away.


And how many times have you moved the goalposts just in this one thread? Give it up. You already proved you know nothing whatsoever about this topic and are only here to troll.

 

[Rick Fox at UNC]

He didn't say that, dumbass. He said, "Our opportunities and our rights are being openly taken by Republicans and some mentally challenged Black folk claim they support Trump." He's discussing opportunities (like going to elite colleges, getting student loans forgiven, and getting grants for black farmers) and rights (like getting equal voting representation or being protected from abusive police).

You just completely ignored the "opportunities" part of that sentence and then pretended you didn't know about any rights being taken away.


And how many times have you moved the goalposts just in this one thread? Give it up. You already proved you know nothing whatsoever about this topic and are only here to troll.

Cool. Same question, we can replace "right" with "opportunity."
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Then help me understand how that opportunity is being taken away from black (and only black) people?

Then help me understand why other outsider groups (certainly not all of them) are able to take advantage of those opportunities.
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Again, there may be some compelling reasons but I'm not hearing those.

You keep making grandstanding speeches without addressing the argument or making a point. Fairly typical of...a certain type. Then again, your username says it all.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Cool. Same question, we can replace "right" with "opportunity."
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Then help me understand how that opportunity is being taken away from black (and only black) people?

Then help me understand why other outsider groups (certainly not all of them) are able to take advantage of those opportunities.

Breh, the EXPLICIT goal of taking away Affirmative Action was to reduce the # of Black men and women at elite colleges to be replaced by White and Asian people. This wasn't hidden, this was the stated objective of the lawsuits. And these numbers prove that they were successful in that goal. So now fewer Black people have the opportunity to attend to elite colleges.

Not sure why you needed to insert "only Black", I'd say they were trying to take the opportunity away from some Latino and Native American and possibly underrepresented Asian students too. But reducing Black enrollment was the primary goal.

How can you be dense enough to miss this?

You keep making grandstanding speeches without addressing the argument or making a point. Fairly typical of...a certain type. Then again, your username says it all.

My username refers to the fact that I'm now leaving the board for long stretches of time only to come back for some stretches. But considering how ignorant you've been of college in this thread, I'm guessing you didn't know what a Professor Emeritus was.

 

[Rick Fox at UNC]

Breh, the EXPLICIT goal of taking away Affirmative Action was to reduce the # of Black men and women at elite colleges to be replaced by White and Asian people. This wasn't hidden, this was the stated objective of the lawsuits. And these numbers prove that they were successful in that goal. So now fewer Black people have the opportunity to attend to elite colleges.

Not sure why you needed to insert "only Black", I'd say they were trying to take the opportunity away from some Latino and Native American and possibly underrepresented Asian students too. But reducing Black enrollment was the primary goal.

How can you be dense enough to miss this?

Cool.

How, exactly, is their opportunity being taken away? I mean, wouldn't the same opportunities be taken away from asian (mainly Chinese and Indian) students, or anyone else non-white?

It sounds like you're saying, sotto voce, I mean, I hope you're not saying...can't be you're saying that in 2024, the only hope blacks (and Natives and Latinos) have of getting into these schools is by special legislation.

After all, admission to these schools is based heavily on childhood performance, test scores, and extracurriculars.

 

[Rick Fox at UNC]

My username refers to the fact that I'm now leaving the board for long stretches of time only to come back for some stretches. But considering how ignorant you've been of college in this thread, I'm guessing you didn't know what a Professor Emeritus was.

The pompocity of this self-important idiot. Sheesh.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Yikes