"Black means African" - Romany Malco

[Northern Son]

Also...black is synonymous with AA.


It does not mean African

It's not mutually exclusive. Like at ALL.

Tell a black person in Africa that they're not black if you ever travel their and watch the response you get. Hell just ask your average cac/Asian/Mexican/Arab what race Africans are (you said it's synonymous with AA's and has nothing to do with Africa so their opinions hold weight in this regard).

 

[H.I.M.]

Alot of Western raised African diaspora in this thread pumpfaking...thinking their opinions, which are shaped by being raised in western countries... can be truly representative of people who spend their entire lives in Africa?

 

[Trajan]

It's not mutually exclusive. Like at ALL.

Tell a black person in Africa that they're not black if you ever travel their and watch the response you get. Hell just ask your average cac/Asian/Mexican/Arab what race Africans are (you said it's synonymous with AA's and has nothing to do with Africa so their opinions hold weight in this regard).

I'm African and have travelled to several countries in Africa.

I never saw anyone call themselves black.

 

[Northern Son]

Black and African(descended) to me are and should be synonimous.

Ive heard other ppl try to classify Australian Aborignals as black, but those were pretty much the over inclusive everyone is black type.

I every strongly doubt that Native Australians use black as an identifier to relate to you or me as much as it would be to differentiate themselves from the white folks that invaded their land, IF they even use it at all.

Some of them do, but for the most part "black" in that part of the world simply has a different context (from my understanding). They're dark and cacs are light so they call themselves "black". I have Filipino friends who call themselves "brown", and I know a lot of Indians who refer to themselves as "brown", but they're obviously not relating to each other. Semantics .

"Black" in the Americas, Europe and of course Africa refers to people of sub-Saharan African descent period.

 

[Northern Son]

Alot of Western raised African diaspora in this thread pumpfaking...thinking their opinions, which are shaped by being raised in western countries... can be truly representative of people who spend their entire lives in Africa?

Why do you think your opinion, shaped by being raised in a western country can be truly representative of people who spend their entire lives in Africa ? I've been to Africa and talk to African nationals everyday, and the shyt you're saying is completely to me and anyone else who's spent time with Africans.

 

[Trajan]

@Northern Son

People call Africans African not black.

 

[EA]

this couldnt be more wrong

I've been around the world and I've seen and experienced how people from other countries that aren't directly connected to western culture react to us. First they're amazed at seeing a black person (or disgusted, depending on where you are) then they throw as much pop culture things they know at you to form some sort of connection. My British accent hasn't made them solely throw UK pop culture references at me because in their eyes, black English speaking people all know the same stuff.

Also, depending on the location, they're either gonna assume you've got money, you're a businessman or you're a celeb/entertainer.

I'm speaking solely from my perspective though so feel free to tell me otherwise.

 

[3rdWorld]

Africans seldom call themselves 'Black' unless in dealings with non Africans..
they prefer nationality or 'tribe' when dealing with other Africans.
Africans also hate being called just 'African' as it reduces their national and ethnic background to a general term. They are very diverse in language and culture so hate being seen as merely 'African'..

 

[Ness]

As opposed to old African traditions being a metric of Blackness? Puerto Ricans are way more admixed than AAs but Blacker?


Note, the "they didn't keep their African cultures" is a narrative lobbied ONLY against AAs. The same people who say AAs aren't " real Africans" because we don't throw masquerades or eat goat will turn on rap/rock/house/jazz/rnb and use AAVE without any awareness to cognitive dissonance.

I definitely see where u comin from, but Romany definitely was not tryna push this narrative if anything it's contradictory to the point he tried to get accross.

He said Puerto Ricans were black/African by their music, the way they danced, conversed, carry themselves, basically all intrinsic parts of who they are as people.

All of which AA's also obviously reflect enormously. Never did he compare them to each other or used one as a yardstick to diminish the other's African-ness.

 

[Poitier]

Some Africans use Black as an identifier, some use nationality or tribe 1st from what I've seen....many use all 3

 

[CinnaSlim]

Black means different things to different people...

 

[Barnett114]

AA's

 

[Northern Son]

@Northern Son

People call Africans African not black.

Um, not in my experience . I've been to Russia, Estonia, Mexico, Dominican Republic, South Africa, UK, France, Spain, Zimbabwe, Poland, Sweden, Denmark, Zambia etc. so I'm very well traveled and trust me, no one non-black says "African" in place of "black" referring to an African. Used interchangeably sure, but the idea of a white European man saying "he's not black, he's actually African" is as laughable as it gets. I've never been called "African" in place of black ever in my life unless I was talking to someone specifically about my African heritage in context (typically it's a fellow black person from a non-African background).

Where do you get your information from anyway, by the way? I've literally only heard this "Africans and West Indians aren't black and don't like being called black" stuff on the Coli.

 

[H.I.M.]

Why do you think your opinion, shaped by being raised in a western country can be truly representative of people who spend their entire lives in Africa

Never said or implied it was...

I'm speaking as an outside observer.
And if everything is so brotherly between tribes within those countries...why do yall run to live up under whites when you got large landmasses, ripe with resources of your own?

The best and the brightest from those countries use their trades & talents to contribute to and enrich white economies instead of their own.

And if you think Africans are so brotherly in their dealings with other "Africans" outside of their tribe or nation...won't you come on down to DC and see how Ethiopians and other Africans seperate and distinguish themselves from African-Americans...not to imply that there's any real tension between the two...but they definitely prefer to deal with and employ their own above all others...which there's nothing wrong with and i don't even consider that a slight against us...it's logical and something we as African-Americans should've kept doing wholesale.

Yall are really in this thread pretending Africans don't put tribe (and sometimes religion) 1st above all.

 

[fscballin]

"Black" is a broader term than "African." Melanesians and Native Australians often consider themselves Black, but they are not Africans.

some consider them africans

africa was not always a geographical location

it was a term to describe someone with dark skin, kinky hair, broad nose, thick lips, etc