Black men get screwed over politically because we don't vote.

[Professor Emeritus]

This shyt is disingenuous per coli usual
Black men vote but this is how the narrative gets spun so if the Democrips lose

Breh, Black male turnout in 2022 was like 30%.

I can't find the exact turnout numbers by race/gender, but overall Black turnout in 2022 was 42%, and the # of Black women who voted was over 50% higher than the # of Black men.

37% of voters were White men
37% of voters were White women
5% of voters were Black women
5% of voters were Hispanic men
4% of voters were Hispanic women
just 3% of voters were Black men

White women always vote against their self interests

White women in 2022 voted 51% for Democrats, 48% for Republicans.

Whether or not white supremacy is in the interest of white women is of course a debatable question.

Nonblacks hardly vote at all especially asians
And when they do it’s for Rebloodicans

Asians and Hispanics both have low turnout rates similar to those of Black men (immigrants in general vote at very low rates for various reasons), so you're right on that count. But I don't know where you got your other claim. In 2022 Hispanics favored Democrats 60% to 39%, and Asians favored Democrats 68% to 32%.

Nobody ever talks about the other demographics willingness to not vote or vote red
Nobody

Low voter turnout in the Hispanic community is talked about constantly. You just don't know this because you aren't a part of that community, so you're not hearing that messaging.

But get real fukking quiet when data and statistics show whose fukking this country up more

I wonder how loud you're going to be now that actual data and statistics have been posted.

I swear you bird chest nikkas ain’t saying this antiblack shyt in real life

Urging Black folk to vote is the opposite of "antiblack".

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

You're thinking of the 2020 election. The Clyburn endorsement was the turning point in Biden beating Bernie in 2020, along with the other major candidates dropping out and endorsing Biden and a massive media blitz to try to discredit and smear Sanders.

In 2020, Bernie won the popular vote in the first three states - Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada. Nevada was a pure landslide.

Right before the 4th contest in South Carolina, Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar both dropped out of the race and endorsed Joe Biden, even though initial reports were that they had wanted to stay in the race. So there were rumors that the DNC and/or Biden campaign had pressured them or bribed them to drop out early. On the other hand, Elizabeth Warren (whose voters were more in line with Bernie that Biden), was under no pressure to drop out and kept contesting despite being in a distant 4th at the time, well behind Buttigieg and only slightly ahead of Klobuchar. That was seen as a purposeful strategy to keep the liberal vote split while the establishment coalesced around Biden. There was also a massive media blitz against Sanders including 40-year-old comments about Cuba's literacy program being taken out of context and a false claim being made by mainstream media that Sanders had chosen to honeymoon in the USSR, all meant to portray Bernie as an unelectable Communist. Meanwhile, there was virtually zero scrutiny of Biden's far worse statements and past actions at all. Then came the Clyburn endorsement of Biden (which South Carolina voters said was the biggest factor in their decision) and Biden finally won his first state.

Despite Bernie having won three states and Biden just one, the entire media narrative after South Carolina was that Biden was inevitable, that he was the electable candidate, and Bernie should just drop out. Despite finishing a distant 4th in South Carolina (once again even behind Pete, despite his having already dropped out before the vote), Elizabeth Warren continued to stay in the race in order to siphon as many votes as possible away from Bernie. Biden won all 7 southern states on Super Tuesday, while Bernie won 4 of the 6 non-Southern states, but it wasn't enough and Biden was basically seen as the guarantied candidate from there on out.

Ok ok, yeah 16 and 20 are blending in my head. Clyburn Warns Sanders Victory May Endanger House Democrats

It's coming back to me

 

[Professor Emeritus]

That wasn't until Trump started dominating in the primary and was the clear victor, Bernie never dominated like trump did, he was popular among the base that was the least likely to vote.

If Bernie was winning states like trump, the party would've been forced to bend the knee.

These were Trump's percentages in the first 25 primaries:

24
35
33
45
43
33
33
39
49
21
28
39
27
33
35
23
36
41
33
13
43
28
37
47
14


He wasn't "dominating" the vote, he just had the lead in a split primary with Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, and Carson all splitting votes.

Bernie was doing just as well when the vote was split, but then the DNC coalesced behind a single favored opponent in order to keep him out of the paint. If the RNC had done the same thing earlier around say Rubio, he very well might have been the nominee, but instead they had 3-4 different candidates splitting that 65% of voters who didn't want Trump.

 

[5n0man]

These were Trump's percentages in the first 25 primaries:

24
35
33
45
43
33
33
39
49
21
28
39
27
33
35
23
36
41
33
13
43
28
37
47
14


He wasn't "dominating" the vote, he just had the lead in a split primary with Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, and Carson all splitting votes.

Bernie was doing just as well when the vote was split, but then the DNC coalesced behind a single favored opponent in order to keep him out of the paint. If the RNC had done the same thing earlier around say Rubio, he very well might have been the nominee, but instead they had 3-4 different candidates splitting that 65% of voters who didn't want Trump.

That looks like a domination to me, and the DNC did what they normally do in every election. Candidates drop out when they realize they won't win and endorse the candidate they align with.

It would have been stupid to go in with the vote split 6 ways and have Bernie skate by with 18 percent of the vote. That's not a victory.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

That looks like a domination to me

Those are the same #'s that Bernie was putting up. Why is it domination for Trump, but not Bernie?

, and the DNC did what they normally do in every election. Candidates drop out when they realize they won't win

Pete dropped out after finishing 2nd, 2nd, and 3rd in the first three races. Biden and Warren both were behind him, yet they stayed in the race. I've never seen a candidate drop out that early after doing that well in any election in my lifetime - I'll bet it's never happened before.

These were the delegate standings after Nevada:

Bernie 45
Buttigieg 26
Biden 15
Warren 8
Klobuchar 7

In those circumstances, Buttigieg and Klobuchar dropping out to endorse Biden after just 3 primaries and zero primary wins by Biden makes no sense, especially with Warren not dropping out despite clearly having zero chance to win. Buttigieg could have fought with Biden to be the centrist option, whereas Warren had literally nothing to fight for except to sabotage Bernie's campaign.



You talking about Buttigieg dropping out just 3 contests in as if that's normal is crazy. In the 2016 elections, Carson didn't drop out until 15 states had voted, Rubio didn't drop out until 34 states had voted, Cruz and Kaisch stayed in all the way to the very end. And NONE of them were doing as well as Buttigieg was doing.

and endorse the candidate they align with.

By your reasoning, why didn't Warren endorse Bernie, the "candidate she aligned with", considering their platforms were almost identical and she had no path to victory?

It would have been stupid to go in with the vote split 6 ways and have Bernie skate by with 18 percent of the vote. That's not a victory.

Bernie got 27%, 26%, and 41% (average 31.3%) in the first three elections. You just claimed that Trump's 24%, 35%, 33% (average 30.7%) was dominant. Come on now.

 

[5n0man]

Those are the same #'s that Bernie was putting up. Why is it domination for Trump, but not Bernie?





Pete dropped out after finishing 2nd, 2nd, and 3rd in the first three races. Biden and Warren both were behind him, yet they stayed in the race. I've never seen a candidate drop out that early after doing that well in any election in my lifetime - I'll bet it's never happened before.

These were the delegate standings after Nevada:

Bernie 45
Buttigieg 26
Biden 15
Warren 8
Klobuchar 7


In those circumstances, Buttigieg and Klobuchar dropping out to endorse Biden after just 3 primaries and zero primary wins by Biden makes no sense, especially with Warren not dropping out despite clearly having zero chance to win. Buttigieg could have fought with Biden to be the centrist option, whereas Warren had literally nothing to fight for except to sabotage Bernie's campaign.

By your reasoning, why didn't Warren endorse Bernie, the "candidate she aligned with", considering their platforms were almost identical and she had no path to victory?







Bernie got 27%, 26%, and 41% in the first three elections. You just claimed that Trump's 24%, 35%, 33% was dominant. Come on now.

Why would you go by the results of just 3 states?


Trump's dominating

Spoiler

• March 18: Bill Weld dropped out of the race.[216]
• March 19: Connecticut rescheduled its primary from April 28 to June 2.[217]
• March 20: Indiana rescheduled its expected state primary of May 5 to June 2.[218]

AprilEdit​

• April 8: New Jersey rescheduled its primary election from June 2 to July 7.[219]
• April 13: Trump won the 2020 Wisconsin Republican primary unopposed.[220]
• April 14: Louisiana rescheduled its primary for the second time, moving the date from June 20 to July 11.[221]
• April 17: Connecticut rescheduled its primary for a second time, from June 2 to August 11.[222]
• April 25: The Alliance Party nominates Rocky De La Fuente for President with Darcy Richardson as his running mate.[223]
• April 28: Trump won the 2020 Ohio Republican primary unopposed.[224]

MayEdit​

• May 12: Trump won the Nebraska primary.[225]
• May 19: Trump won the Oregon primary.[226]

JuneEdit​

• June 2: Trump wins all 8 Super Tuesday primaries: Indiana, Maryland, Montana, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, and the District of Columbia primaries.
• June 5: The Republican Party of Puerto Rico holds an online caucus vote of party leaders in lieu of an actual primary, binding its delegation to Trump.[227][228]
• June 9: Trump won both Georgia and West Virginia primaries.
• June 20: The Reform Party nominates Rocky De La Fuente for President with Darcy Richardson as his running mate.[229]
• June 23: Trump won the Kentucky primary.

JulyEdit​

• July 7: Trump won the Delaware and New Jersey primaries.
• July 11: Trump won the Louisiana primary.

AugustEdit​

• August 11: Trump won the Connecticut primary.
• August 15: The American Independent Party nominates Rocky De La Fuente for President with Kanye West as his running mate.[230]
• August 24–27: The Republican National Convention was held. Delegates re-nominated Trump for president and Pence for vice president in the 2020 United States presidential election.

Trump swept the competition

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

Bernie fell off after the first 3 primaries and started getting slaughtered by Joe, who entered the race late.


I don't know why Warren didn't endorse Bernie, but every other candidate was closer to Joe politically than Bernie, so it made sense that they'd back Joe once they realized they wouldn't win.


If Bernie's only path to victory was having every candidate stay in to split the vote, then he wasn't gonna win.

 

[Still Benefited]

I'm not trying to hear this bullshyt.

Republicans did the same to Trump but voters showed up for him. If young people wanted Bernie, they should have voted, but they didn't.

If thr Democrats didnt want Trump to win they shouldnt have elevated him

Fact of the matter is the chosen one(a black man named Obama),gave the Democrats black men on a silver platter along with the youth. Its dwindled consistently from 2016 to now. The Obama effect shouldve carried the Dems for probably the next 2 decades. What yall fail to realize is its not always about the vote,its about the energy. Democrats energy for black men/boys is practically non existent. Id say their indifference deserves an equal reaction .

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Why would you go by the results of just 3 states?

Because that's when the DNC decided they had to get involved and rig the race against Bernie by bribing the right people to drop out and forcing the media narrative to change. That didn't happen to Trump. Thus the first three states are the only ones directly comparable.

After the first three states, Trump continued to win with similar %'s as he and Bernie were hitting before. Whereas those %'s were no longer enough for Bernie as all the moderates had dropped out to back Biden while Warren purposely stayed in to keep splitting his left vote.

Trump's dominating

Spoiler

• March 18: Bill Weld dropped out of the race.[216]
• March 19: Connecticut rescheduled its primary from April 28 to June 2.[217]
• March 20: Indiana rescheduled its expected state primary of May 5 to June 2.[218]

AprilEdit​

• April 8: New Jersey rescheduled its primary election from June 2 to July 7.[219]
• April 13: Trump won the 2020 Wisconsin Republican primary unopposed.[220]
• April 14: Louisiana rescheduled its primary for the second time, moving the date from June 20 to July 11.[221]
• April 17: Connecticut rescheduled its primary for a second time, from June 2 to August 11.[222]
• April 25: The Alliance Party nominates Rocky De La Fuente for President with Darcy Richardson as his running mate.[223]
• April 28: Trump won the 2020 Ohio Republican primary unopposed.[224]

MayEdit​

• May 12: Trump won the Nebraska primary.[225]
• May 19: Trump won the Oregon primary.[226]

JuneEdit​

• June 2: Trump wins all 8 Super Tuesday primaries: Indiana, Maryland, Montana, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, and the District of Columbia primaries.
• June 5: The Republican Party of Puerto Rico holds an online caucus vote of party leaders in lieu of an actual primary, binding its delegation to Trump.[227][228]
• June 9: Trump won both Georgia and West Virginia primaries.
• June 20: The Reform Party nominates Rocky De La Fuente for President with Darcy Richardson as his running mate.[229]
• June 23: Trump won the Kentucky primary.

JulyEdit​

• July 7: Trump won the Delaware and New Jersey primaries.
• July 11: Trump won the Louisiana primary.

AugustEdit​

• August 11: Trump won the Connecticut primary.
• August 15: The American Independent Party nominates Rocky De La Fuente for President with Kanye West as his running mate.[230]
• August 24–27: The Republican National Convention was held. Delegates re-nominated Trump for president and Pence for vice president in the 2020 United States presidential election.

Trump swept the competition

Why did you start that quote on March 18, over 2 months into the election when the result was clear, rather than posting the early election shyt that we're actually discussing?

And why are you posting outcomes rather than %'s? Bernie won the popular vote in his first 3 races too, so was he dominating then or not?

Bernie fell off after the first 3 primaries and started getting slaughtered by Joe, who entered the race late.

This is a full-on lie, Joe Biden formed his campaign PAC in January 2018 and officially declared his candidacy in April 2019, at which point he was immediately considered the frontrunner.

Biden didn't "come in late", he was the early frontrunner who got killed and was dead in the water (13%, 8%, and 18% in the first three races) until the DNC swooped in to save him.

 

[Wiseborn]

Apparently, Democrats need to rethink their strategy to get Black Males to vote. Instead of using shaming tactics.

Man maybe nikkas just dont want to vote.

I rarely voted and the issue I cared most deeply about was 2A rights.

If nikkas dont care then they dont care no "education " or shaming tactics are gonna work.

 

[HarlemHottie]

And most black men know this. Some may not be able to articulate it or express the issue differently, but the end result (lack of voter participation) is the same.

Yep. I was doing get out the vote stuff in Harlem, just talking to ppl in the street, leading up to 2008. nikkas on the block were not impressed by Obama. Not even a little. An og told me exactly what was gon happen and he was 100% correct: not a damn thing. At this time, I was still very much a pan Africanist, very active in the Dem party, and still high on that black Ivy supply.

I learned a lot during Obama's first term. One of the things I learned was, them og's on the block be knowing shyt, even when they can't articulate it right, even when the ppl with degrees are saying different.

Low voter turnout in the Hispanic community is talked about constantly. You just don't know this because you aren't a part of that community, so you're not hearing that messaging.

Yes, but the framing is completely different. "How can the party appeal to the latino voter?" =/= 'nikkas either too lazy or too stupid to vote for us so fukk em.'

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Yep. I was doing get out the vote stuff in Harlem, just talking to ppl in the street, leading up to 2008. nikkas on the block were not impressed by Obama. Not even a little. An og told me exactly what was gon happen and he was 100% correct: not a damn thing. At this time, I was still very much a pan Africanist, very active in the Dem party, and still high on that black Ivy supply.

I learned a lot during Obama's first term. One of the things I learned was, them og's on the block be knowing shyt, even when they can't articulate it right, even when the ppl with degrees are saying different.

I had hope too, and I had already been through my post-college jaded with politics experience and still got fooled.

I don't believe in the "nothing will ever change" idea, but Obama wasn't the one to do it and no one person likely will.

Yes, but the framing is completely different. "How can the party appeal to the latino voter?"

Nah, I hear shyt like, "Immigrants are afraid to vote" or "Immigrants don't have a tradition of voting" or "They aren't using English" and shyt like that which puts it on them rather than the party.

=/= 'nikkas either too lazy or too stupid to vote for us so fukk em.'

Where the hell have you heard that narrative from anyone that matters?

That's the spin you hear on The Coli, that's not shyt anyone is saying in real life anywhere that I've been.

 

[SupaDupaFresh]

"they" being who?

im going to assume liberals...
now imagine if a good percentage of black folks voted red...
now we have two parties trying to bend our ear

I know, I know...
it would never happen...
white supremacy wouldnt allow it...
liberal white people love us like their own, etc...

black men shouldnt vote for their individual interest...
we should vote for the interest of the bum on the corner and single mom with 3 kids.

I cant wait for this fool right here to finally get exposed as another cac troll on this board.

If a good percentage of black people began voting Republican what the fukk makes you think this would change anything other than black people helping fascists rule over ys? The Republicans have told you already they are all about supporting Trump and OPPOSING "WOKENESS." They are NOT DOING SQUAT shyt "FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS." EVER. Jesus man, 2023 and we still got nikkas so privy to the "Dem shills" but so eager to trust republicans. these Republicans can put on their hoods and show their SS tattoos and we'd still have dumbass c00ns like this fantasizing about white supremacists, Neo Nazis, and Trump supporters doing benevolent acts for black people. Yall claim that Democrats don't do shyt for black people despite our votes...well you know, besides defending our rights, our mobility, our social programs, affirmative action, anti-discrimination laws...but yall are so eager to believe an out and about white nationalist political party who's whole entire messaging right now is dismantling all race-based laws and even the mention of racism in our government, is so eager to love you and "do something" for you.

 

[SupaDupaFresh]

BULLshyt!!! Black men vote all the fukking time. The problem is that they know that they can count on our vote, and aren't expected to do anything to earn it or produce anything after being elected. Black people are the most disrespected voting block by far, it also doesn't help that we're guilt tripped by the older black generation as well.

"bullshyt! Black men love to vote...!" As he begins describing voting as if its some type of dehumanizing event before calling it a "guilt trip"

Not even 50% of black men who can register to vote do so. There is no excuse, and we are not as "reliable", or effective, or as important to political parties as yall like to think.

If every black man and woman old enough to vote registered and voted, this country would literally change overnight.

 

[SupaDupaFresh]

What.
The.
fukk.
Has.
Voting.
Done.
For.
Us.
Other than create bullshyt laws to work against us?

Posts like this is why civics class should be a requirement in school.

You are one of many barbershop babbling idiots who has NO fukking clue how much of your life, your mobility, your safety, your rights, your education, your childrens lives, your access to government resources, access to banks, access to so many institutions in life has been COMPLETELY facilitated by liberal policy and laws and you didnt even know it. Of course you're too close minded and clueless about law and government to know why voting is important and how it has impacted your life.

I hope you a good ole country boy and not another wannabe conservative coli idiot who lives in some metropolitan city surrounded by liberal laws, policy, programs, jobs that are required to have diverse staffs, and public funded institutions that help folks get everything from jobs to healthcare, and then bytching about "what have Democrats done for us."

 

[HarlemHottie]

Nah, I hear shyt like, "Immigrants are afraid to vote" or "Immigrants don't have a tradition of voting" or "They aren't using English" and shyt like that which puts it on them rather than the party.


Where the hell have you heard that narrative from anyone that matters?

That's the spin you hear on The Coli, that's not shyt anyone is saying in real life anywhere that I've been.

Lets do an experiment. Let's compare voter concerns as described dem voter advocates and the democratic party's official response.


Black men:

Black voter advocates say the challenge is particularly acute among Black men, many of whom say they feel alienated from the political process and were hurt by policies pushed by both parties that led to increased incarceration and a decline in manufacturing jobs decades ago...

Biden’s political team says it has received the message and is taking action, especially among younger Black men.

• “We have to meet them where they are and we have to show them why the political process matters and what we have accomplished that benefits them,” said Cedric L. Richmond, a former Biden adviser who is now a senior adviser at the Democratic National Committee.
• He said there will be a clear focus on making Black voters aware of how they have benefited from Biden administration policies, learning from the errors of past Democratic efforts that fell short.
• “We will not make the mistake that others made of not drawing all the connections,” he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/31/democrats-worry-that-black-voters-wont-turn-out-biden-2024/

Latino men:

...while Biden’s 2020 campaign mobilized record levels of Latino voters in several key states, some Latino groups expressed frustration at the time that the campaign didn’t court Latinos as aggressively as they’d hoped. The groups thought the Biden team lost some opportunities to carry 2016 Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s Latino support in states like Florida and Texas.

The Biden campaign’s strategy now also is designed to address concerns expressed by Latino community leaders about the importance of understanding how diverse and complex the Latino vote is...

“The DNC’s outreach in the 2024 cycle is designed to ensure messaging and content is tailored to all the different kinds of Latinos that live in the country — young, older, native-born, immigrants, first generation, Spanglish speakers, bilinguals, et cetera,” said Maria Cardona, a senior adviser to the DNC.

Biden campaign is ramping up its strategy to win over Latino voters

The new playbook is rolling out earlier than in 2020, and it includes tailored ads and an effort to counter misinformation.

www.nbcnews.com

Note: the problem here has nothing to do with the voters themselves, both sets expressed concerns (albeit one set was real concerns and the other was petty). 'La differencia' (if you read the second article, you'll get the joke) is that the party has decided to address one set of concerns with gaslighting and the other set with alacrity.

Spoiler: Why and how is this occurring?

Oh.

Julie Chávez Rodriguez (born April 7, 1978)[1] is an American political rights activist and campaign manager for the Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign. She grew up in California in a well-known family of American labor and civil rights activists, the granddaughter of American labor leader, César Chávez and American labor activist Helen Fabela Chávez

Julie Chávez Rodriguez - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Just being nosy, how did this happen?

She was at the Interior Department working on a youth initiative when [Valerie] Jarrett recruited her to work on immigration and Latino outreach at the White House.

Jarrett said she wanted Rodriguez on her team because of her “extraordinary reputation for excellence, hard work, competency” and “focusing not on herself, but on how we could engage as many voices” as possible.

Rodriguez later became Jarrett’s deputy and her portfolio grew to include outreach to veterans, Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders, and gun violence prevention groups.

Shortly before Obama’s term ended in January 2017, Rodriguez was named state director for then-Sen. Kamala Harris of California. Rodriguez later joined Harris’ 2020 presidential campaign as a political director and traveling chief of staff.

Rodriguez joined Biden’s campaign to help oversee Latino outreach after Harris dropped out. After Biden was elected, he named her to lead the office of intergovernmental affairs.

Cesar Chavez's legacy lives on in Biden's new campaign chair

The granddaughter of late Latino labor activist Cesar Chavez is moving from President Joe Biden's White House staff to take another high-profile position at the helm of his 2024 reelection campaign.

apnews.com

So she was recruited, her career advanced, political power gained thanks to Obama, Valerie Jarrett, Kamala, and finally Joe Biden, all of whom we elected and empowered based on the apprently erroneous assumption that they would be advocating and empowering US.

Btw, did we know this?

Biden’s updates for a time included placing a bronze bust of Chavez among family photographs on a desk directly behind his own, giving the late labor leader’s likeness prominent placement any time Biden was seen at his desk.

Cesar Chavez's legacy lives on in Biden's new campaign chair

The granddaughter of late Latino labor activist Cesar Chavez is moving from President Joe Biden's White House staff to take another high-profile position at the helm of his 2024 reelection campaign.

apnews.com