Black people, explained to me what changed

[Piff Perkins]

Black people in the 80s and 90s made literally zero progress



It wasn't 100% their fault but it's true

Black people made progress in the 90s. Black income and wealth increased alongside the booming economy.

Ultimately the answer is drugs, incarceration, and the death of manufacturing. Drugs ravaged communities, men were sent to jail for nothing, and factories closing further increased unemployment. There was a time when a black man without a college degree could easily take care of his family with a job at Ford or GM. Those days are gone overall.

Ironically similar destruction is happening in white communities, but without incarceration. Manufacturing is dead and opiates have taken over. But unlike the 80s, government is pledging to help communities deal with the drug problem...

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

To be honest integration had alot to do with it.



HBCU's had alot to do with black business forming, HBCU's trained our doctors ( creating black practices), lawyers ( creating black law firms), and Businessmen ( creating black owned business). In the 1970's and 1980's, 80 percent of our black men and women attended a HBCU. Now 94 percent of us ( and growing) attend PWI's or other non black colleges and universities. The black network that formed at these HBCU's have been diminished severely.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

This dumb ass shyt again

 

[ZoeGod]

Because the economy changed, whites also own less businesses than before, and marry at much smaller rates than before.
We're also wealthier than before, with her incomes.
Weird how these weak statistics are posted in a vacuum with no source, no comparison, and with dubious numbers.
Intellectual dishonesty shouldn't be tolerated in discussions about Black people in the US.

That is the issue the economy changed but it still hurt us. White America is going through a crisis as we just seen with the recent election. When white america gets the flu we get pneumonia. We are getting hit hard with this new economy. The 2008 great recession did significant damage to the black middle class. Sure things gotten better but we still have the same issues that plagued us when the Panthers were around. Poverty,police brutality,economic and political disenfranchisement,gentrification, prison industrial complex.

 

[Larry Lambo]

The single parent numbers are patently false. No way in hell 87% of people grew up in dual parent families in the 60's. You had housing projects filled with single moms, and deadbeat dads were fairly common. I got too many family members and older associates that would scoff at those numbers.

As far as black owned businesses, there were more, but at what scale? Not to sh*t on entrepreneurship but the average corporate dude making $75K is living better than most of those business owners lived. My grandfather was a self employed carpenter in the backwoods of Georgia, but my father provided a better life working as a mailman. So although we do need to have more black businesses, using the old days before integration as a way to "prove" we aren't doing well today, is shaky.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Civil rights ?
Welfare?
Reagan?

Jail happened. No husband at home. No dad at home. No OGs schooling the young. Nobody to run that business.

Reagan and that war on drugs and mass incarceration was just slavery part 2

 

[EndDomination]

That is the issue the economy changed but it still hurt us. White America is going through a crisis as we just seen with the recent election. When white america gets the flu we get pneumonia. We are getting hit hard with this new economy. The 2008 great recession did significant damage to the black middle class. Sure things gotten better but we still have the same issues that plagued us when the Panthers were around. Poverty,police brutality,economic and political disenfranchisement,gentrification, prison industrial complex.

You're entirely right, we always catch a double whammy, due to being a semi-permanent underclass here in the US.
Which is a point I would eventually like to make a thread about, because even laws that don't initially discriminate against us as people, will anyway, because of our systemic positioning.
When things get good for White people as a whole, things change a little bit for us, but when things get bad for White people as a whole, things get really bad for us.

 

[EndDomination]

Jail happened. No husband at home. No dad at home. No OGs schooling the young. Nobody to run that business.

Reagan and that war on drugs and mass incarceration was just slavery part 2

I daresay it wasn't entirely Reagan.
Nixon started the War on Drugs with early policy that was exacerbated by Reagan policy.
Eisenhower actually paved the way for the destruction of Black leadership and Civil Rights groups, including the destruction of the Black Panther Party with his early anti-communist purges, that didn't just target the Communists and the gay people in government, but anyone who was Left-leaning, and as noted, all of the Black groups that fought against White supremacy and second-class citizenship were Left-leaning.

The wildest thing of all is that the business that existed then were not generating much money, and "Black Wall Street" pales in comparison to the hubs of Black business that exist all over the US, there has been improvement for the Black middle and upper-class, just not for the Black lower class, who are the ones caught in the "New Jim Crow."

 

[T.he I.nformant]

And these stats come from where exactly?

without a source this image is meaningless and no one should assume its true

Motherfukker still aint posted no source of these so called stats

I could post a image that says 100% of asians suck dikk and sniff panties out a vending machine whereas only 85% did in 2000

I couldn't even read beyond page two of this thread because there wasn't some source/research/receipts to back up the stats in the graph. I actually don't know how anyone can engage in any intelligent convo about any so-called decrease in black-owned businesses or breakdown of the black family structure without something. Just seems like people are defaulting to shyt born out of their personal, experience, fear, paranoia, or general concern of white supremacy. I guess you can do that but is it productive? Hopefully somebody eventually posted something to back the stats up. Otherwise, any "discussion" is just ranting and raving for the sake of ranting and raving.

 

[southern.girl]

What's to blame:

1. integration
2. declining marriage rates
3. no increased wages for blue collar jobs (people sent their kids to college as a plumber back in the day)
4. increasing cost of college/post grad degrees

For those of you who won't believe the obvious, here are the receipts.

1. Black Wealth Gap 1960s vs Now - Today's racial wealth gap is wider than in the 1960s
2. Decline of Black Marriage/Increase OOW Kids - The Black Family Is Worse Off Today Than In the 1960's, Report Shows - Your Black World

 

[Reginald Noble]

Crack
Desegregation
Globalization/Outsourcing/Automation
Welfare Babies

 

[JerseyBoy23]

Civil rights ?
Welfare?
Reagan?

Reagan

 

[Higher Tech]

Those stats are bullshyt

This.

Anyone want to provide proof of those numbers? Or are we taking random memes as proof now?

 

[BrandonBanks]

they figured out that they best way to keep us down is to sell us the illusion that everything is 'getting better'
the media spews that magical word "progress" and black people eat it up. meanwhile we're still getting shot in the streets by police and our businesses are non existent

the majority of us are the employees and consumers of what other races own, yet many believe the illusion that things are "equal" for blacks now. Just because some of us have "good jobs" working for whites. Ownership is dire.

A job working for white ppl doesn't compare to actual ownership.

Most of us believe that it's better to have a career or job working for whites, making them richer, than to start our own businesses together.