Black people need more patriarchy not less

[Big Mountain Hélà]

 

[The Burger King]

Why have I never seen this thread until now? Good lord, the male feminists came out in full force in this one.

 

[⠀X ⠀]

Of course. Every successful community is a patriarchy.

 

[Rick Fox at UNC]

Without even reading.

Yes, we know.

 

[ignorethis]

To have patriarchy you need large supply of men capable and willing to lead, as well as women capable and willing to be lead.

I would argue there is a shortage of that in blacks in the West.

But it’s not as simple as claiming patriarchy is better, because majority of Africa is super patriarchal, and it still sucks for the most part.

Patriarchy is on its way out globally, places like Black America and South Africa just experienced westoid designed matriarchy 50-60 years earlier than everyone else.

The West is changing because white men loss to white women, not other men. Mediocre white men are revolting because they can’t cope with the loss of status.

Get used to it and adjust to progressive minded thinking as far as politics and culture, nothing stays static forever and we’ll never know what can work in the future without discourse and ideas.

 

[BlackJesus]

To have patriarchy you need large supply of men capable and willing to lead, as well as women capable and willing to be lead.

I would argue there is a shortage of that in blacks in the West.

But it’s not as simple as claiming patriarchy is better, because majority of Africa is super patriarchal, and it still sucks for the most part.

Patriarchy is on its way out globally, places like Black America and South Africa just experienced westoid designed matriarchy 50-60 years earlier than everyone else.

The West is changing because white men loss to white women, not other men. Mediocre white men are revolting because they can’t cope with the loss of status.

Get used to it and adjust to progressive minded thinking as far as politics and culture, nothing stays static forever and we’ll never know what can work in the future without discourse and ideas.

Africa would also suck if it were a matriarchy. Its problems are not found in the patriarchy/matriarchy dichotomy. It has a lack of strong institutions and an uneducated population. The countries that fixed those problems suck much less. Lots of people n Africa are barely literate

Black America is different. If went from not sucking under patriarchy to sucking under a matriarchy

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

Ya'll wanna be the oppressor so bad



Crazy how "creative" the community is supposed to be yet most of ya'll can't think of any way to live outside of following behind the same people you claim are evil in any other conversation.

Starting to see many don't actually hate WM...they envy them.

 

[Treblemaka]

Black people need to unite and do whats best for our children. That means raising them collaboratisucceed. The same household in a way that gives them the best chance to succed.

It means only nutting in a woman when you plan on raising children with her together instead because you were bored on a Thursday.
It means being a well adjusted human being with boundaries and standards that can communicate and manage their emotions before choosing to bring another life in this world.

Patriarchy wasn't the reason we made it through the trauma that is America history, uniting for our families is.
Patriarchy does not have a single example of being successful while not being repressive.


Some yall want to be the rabbit with the gun. The problem is youre not going to use the gun to shoot the hunter, youre going to use it to shoot another rabbit.

 

[ignorethis]

Africa would also suck if it were a matriarchy. Its problems are not found in the patriarchy/matriarchy dichotomy. It has a lack of strong institutions and an uneducated population. The countries that fixed those problems suck much less. Lots of people n Africa are barely literate

Black America is different. If went from not sucking under patriarchy to sucking under a matriarchy

Dudes like Tommy Curry would argue Black America never had patriarchy, that black men never had more power than black women in Black America going back to the slavery era.

So I don’t know how you could argue it went from not sucking under patriarchy, the rise of power for black women coincided with the Civil Rights Act.

Black America made major strides post Civil Rights Act, both black men and women, but I would argue that as time went on Republicans stripped away benefits/safety nets for low income black men with the Democrats putting up no resistance to this.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Africa would also suck if it were a matriarchy. Its problems are not found in the patriarchy/matriarchy dichotomy. It has a lack of strong institutions and an uneducated population. The countries that fixed those problems suck much less. Lots of people n Africa are barely literate

Black America is different. If went from not sucking under patriarchy to sucking under a matriarchy

This is openly racist framing and I don't understand why it is acceptable on here. You're not even describing any kind of institution, you're making a blanket claim that an entire continent "lacks intelligence" or is "barely literate," as if that's inherent rather than manufactured through centuries of extraction and exploitation. It's ahistorical nonsense dressed up as sociopolitical commentary.

Same with your claims about Black Americans. You're reducing complicated social outcomes to a shallow gender narrative. You can't ignore how Black American communities were shaped by slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, targeted policing, mass incarceration, and economic displacement. All of those things stripped communities of wealth, removed men from households through imprisonment and discriminatory labor practices, and systematically destabilized the economic foundation of those neighborhoods.

You're trying to flip cause and effect by trying to blame it all on "matriarchy," when the family structure changed because of state policy and economic coercion. That's the same kind of Moynihan Report bullshyt that blames Black culture instead of acknowledging what the government and economic system actually did. That narrative has been debunked for decades. Repackaging it in some red-pill rhetoric doesn't make it any less false or any less racist.

 

[Gritsngravy]

Ya'll wanna be the oppressor so bad



Crazy how "creative" the community is supposed to be yet most of ya'll can't think of any way to live outside of following behind the same people you claim are evil in any other conversation.

Starting to see many don't actually hate WM...they envy them.

Black men oppressors?
Black men trying to follow behind white people?
You think black men want to be white?

It sounds like you projecting your insecurities, you need to heal before inserting yourself into these types of discussions about what the black community supposed/should to be

 

[Ahmen]

"Fathers are overrated."
Wow.
They are needed more than ever.

 

[BlackJesus]

You're not even describing any kind of institution, you're making a blanket claim that an entire continent "lacks intelligence" or is "barely literate,"

I didn’t say anything about intelligence so this is completely disingenuous. I said African countries are behind in education and institutions (strong rule of law, finance, democratic norms etc) . This has nothing to do with how smart they are, so first of all, calm down.

Same with your claims about Black Americans. You're reducing complicated social outcomes to a shallow gender narrative.

This is the “white man is Thanos” theory that whites basically set the terms of reality and whether we win or lose. And I don’t really buy it. Why? You have only to look at the Palestinians. Bombed, imprisoned, and even being genocided by Israel and their women still support and follow their men. They went through some of the worst possible things you could ever imagine and it hasn’t changed the gender dynamic.

The gender narrative describes our current reality, not what happened 50 years ago. Not my problem you are butt hurt about it.

You're trying to flip cause and effect by trying to blame it all on "matriarchy," when the family structure changed because of state policy and economic coercion

Here’s the thing. I’m not so much interested in what caused it. If it was whites, space aliens or something in the water that’s irrelevant to me.

What’s interesting to me is how do we fix it. Crying about how I feel about it is useless.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

I didn’t say anything about intelligence so this is completely disingenuous. I said African countries are behind in education and institutions (strong rule of law, finance, democratic norms etc) . This has nothing to do with how smart they are, so first of all, calm down.



This is the “white man is Thanos” theory that whites basically set the terms of reality and whether we win or lose. And I don’t really buy it. Why? You have only to look at the Palestinians. Bombed, imprisoned, and even being genocided by Israel and their women still support and follow their men. They went through some of the worst possible things you could ever imagine and it hasn’t changed the gender dynamic.

The gender narrative describes our current reality, not what happened 50 years ago. Not my problem you are butt hurt about it.




Here’s the thing. I’m not so much interested in what caused it. If it was whites, space aliens or something in the water that’s irrelevant to me.

What’s interesting to me is how do we fix it. Crying about how I feel about it is useless.

You said African countries have "barely literate populations" and "weak institutions," but you intentionally stripped away why those conditions exist to imply the deficiency is internal. Those are not neutral descriptions. It's the same kind of racist colonial framing we've been hearing forever. Pretending it has "nothing to do with intelligence" while invoking literacy and institutional failure is just a rhetorical fig leaf.

Trying to dismiss structural reality as a "white man is Thanos theory" shows how much of a joke you are. Trying to dodge historical accountability and avoid engaging with documented systems of extraction, destabilization, and imposed economic policy, so you can preserve your idiotic narrative, isn't an argument -- it's just handwaving something away that you can't explain. Your Palestinian analogy is irrelevant and intellectually dishonest. You can't use one oppressed group's survival response to deny the structural causes shaping another.

You're also contradicting yourself. You say you're not interested in what caused it, yet you claim the cause is gender dynamics. What is that? Are you just looking to push an ideology or what? Because if you're really serious about fixing something, you can't ignore the actual cause.

 

[Justin Nitsuj]

Yeah let’s keep blaming Black women for everything, while disregarding the fact that the government DESIGNED IT TO BE THIS WAY.

These white clowns in power knew that if they want to break up a Black household, they would do it by making up policies to remove the Black men from it.

But yeah let’s continue to blame Black women.