Black People need to dead this "P.O.C./Intersectionality" bullsh1t.

[King Kreole]

He has yet to reply to my posts.This buffoon @King Kreole is nothing more than a charlatan and polemic. He really believes that Ancient Egypt wasn't patriarchical. The same Egypt whose supreme leader was the Pharaoh, a male patriarch. In other words, the Ancient Egyptians didn't even allow female rulers, only men.

The above are not real sources. Please find me a scientific review or history source detailing women's dominant role in Egyptian society please, not unsubstantiated and unverified statements from such luminary websites as www.ancient.eu (?). Anyone can write this nonsense. Afterall, most online sources read that the Ancient Egyptians weren't black when recent studies say 100% they were.

"The fragmentary evidence allows us only tantalising glimpses of the sophisticated and complex society of the ancient Egyptians, but the Greek historian Herodotus believed that the Egyptians had 'reversed the ordinary practices of mankind' in treating their women better than any of the other civilizations of the ancient world . Carolyn Graves-Brown draws on funerary remains, tomb paintings, architecture and textual evidence to explore all aspects of women in Egypt from goddesses and queens to women as the 'vessels of creation'. Perhaps surprisingly the most common career for women, after housewife and mother, was the priesthood, where women served deities, notably Hathor, with music and dance. Many would come to the temples of Hathor to have their dreams interpreted, or to seek divine inspiration. This is a wide ranging and revealing account told with authority and verve." - Dancing for Hathor: Women in Ancient Egypt by Carolyn Graves-Brown

"In ancient Egypt women enjoyed a legal, social and sexual independence unrivalled by their Greek or Roman sisters, or in fact by most women until the late nineteenth century. They could own and trade in property, work outside the home, marry foreigners and live alone without the protection of a male guardian. Some of them even rose to rule Egypt as ‘female kings’. Joyce Tyldesley’s vivid history of how women lived in ancient Egypt weaves a fascinating picture of daily life – marriage and the home, work and play, grooming and religion – viewed from a female perspective, in a work that is engaging, original and constantly surprising." - Daughters of Isis: Women of Ancient Egypt by Joyce Tyldesley

"The first-of-its-kind exhibit cataloged here focuses on the women of Egypt from all levels of society in works compiled strictly from American collections by American curators. Because the quantity of written records is limited (though enormous in comparison to most early societies), there is still much guesswork involved in determining the place women held in Egyptian society. It is clear that, unlike most ancient and not-so-ancient societies, Egypt conferred on women the legal right to own property and to barter their own goods, which means a larger record for current study. The essays here are both erudite and fascinating to read; the illustrations are clear and well presented in conjunction with the text. An excellent new resource for public and academic collections about ancient Egypt and its art as well as for women's studies collections; highly recommended." - Mistress of the House, Mistress of Heaven: Women in Ancient Egypt by Anne K. Capel, Glenn E. Markoe

Sit down, please.

 

[Diondon]

Garvey said it best...



http://www.thecoli.com/threads/message-to-the-people-the-course-of-african-philosophy.188162

 

[King Kreole]

And do any of those feminist who are fighting ever state that most White women are paid more than most Black men doing the same job?

And that most White women are paid more than Black women?

Yes. Particularly the black ones, but some white feminists who have accepted intersectionality understand this.

Like I said racism matters more to me.

OK. My point is that you are being asked to choose. A lot of women aren't as willing to forego their gender concerns as you are.

Reproductive rights are health care issues. Most poor people with lack of healthcare access have less access to not only to abortion but also to birth control.

Yes. But reproductive rights are also a gender issue. 100% of men will never need to get an abortion or take birth control pills.

At that, and poor black women have more abortions than anyone. I'm very wary of a group calling abortion a right while younger black women outpace all others in abortions when that same group, planned parenthood is founded by a eugenicist.

I'm not a pro-lifer either but . ..

Abortion's Racial Gap

An African-American woman is almost five times likelier to have an abortion than a white woman, and a Latina more than twice as likely, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Yes. Again, this is why intersectionality is very important. So that black women aren't left by the wayside again when women's rights are being discussed and acted upon. Because black women are not just women, and they're not just black. They have multiple identities that manifest in different ways. We all do.

 

[Prince Mongo]

Why do people keep spouting this Black Matriarchy bullshyt?

The black family unit is broken, not a matriarchy. Mass incarceration of black men and absenteeism within the home is not evidence of a matriarchy, it's evidence of a broken home unit, and it was purposefully promoted to cripple black people. Matriarchy and Patriarchy relies on the other gender being present and doing labour. So just as if all the women were to disappear from a patriarchal society, it would collapse, when all the men disappear from the black home, it struggles. A black Matriarchy would require men to be present and subjugated by women. When black men are involved in the family unit, they are not giving all their labour and wages to the woman who decides how it is to be spent, they are not considered to be the subservient partner, they are not bereft of legal protections, they are not being sexually victimized and physically abused at higher rates than women. There are billions of dollars missing from this alleged black matriarchy.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this wasn't an original thought of yours.

My father lived in my home for most of my childhood. I have friends who's father are in their homes and lives now and have always been. I live in a community with many black older men who are fathers in their household. What I'm saying is the overall dynamic of 2 parent black households still seems matriarchal, at least from my experience and perspective. The phenomenon I mentioned in my last post is the reason why black women seem more assertive in 2 parent households. My mother came from a single parent household, which I think made her more dominant in the decisions made in our house. My father was also raised in a single parent home and therefore had a poor/nonexistent representation of fatherhood. The societal problems we face in the black community tends to create matriarchal households in 2 parent homes from my perspective. The black father may make more financial decisions but the mother has more dominion over the children and the house. Even financially, a lot of black women earn more than the father in the house (like in my home), so the black man is required to be subservient to the black woman in several aspects in the home. Your average black home isn't ran like your typical white housewife sitcom type shyt. You said white and black 2 parent homes are run exactly the same, which is totally false

And your opinions still sound like tumblr hipster bullshyt

 

[ezrathegreat]

So basically i wanna fight white supremacy and the black woman wants to fight me first?
Not only that, even tho we're both black and oppressed, she won't help me fight white supremacy unless we resolve our intra-racial issues first?
Even tho white supremacy is the reason we have these issues in the first place?

That basically sums up black feminism and the whole black gender war

 

[ezrathegreat]

My father lived in my home for most of my childhood. I have friends who's father are in their homes and lives now and have always been. I live in a community with many black older men who are fathers in their household. What I'm saying is the overall dynamic of 2 parent black households still seems matriarchal, at least from my experience and perspective. The phenomenon I mentioned in my last post is the reason why black women seem more assertive in 2 parent households. My mother came from a single parent household, which I think made her more dominant in the decisions made in our house. My father was also raised in a single parent home and therefore had a poor/nonexistent representation of fatherhood. The societal problems we face in the black community tends to create matriarchal households in 2 parent homes from my perspective. The black father may make more financial decisions but the mother has more dominion over the children and the hous . Even financially, a lot of black women earn more than the father in the house (like in my home), so the black man is required to be subservient to the black woman in several aspects in the home. Your average black home is ran like your typical white housewife sitcom type shyt. You said white and black 2 parent homes are run exactly the same, which is totally false

And your opinions still sound like tumblr hipster bullshyt

 

[Absalom's Thought]

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[godkiller]

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OK. My point is that you are being asked to choose. A lot of women aren't as willing to forego their gender concerns as you are.

So what if I and @Rarebird77 must choose pro-blackness over gender warfare?

Yes. Again, this is why intersectionality is very important. So that black women aren't left by the wayside again when women's rights are being discussed and acted upon. Because black women are not just women, and they're not just black. They have multiple identities that manifest in different ways. We all do.

Intesectionality is not important as I have explained multiple times now and to which you have yet to respond. Black women aren't left to wayside in fighting for black rights. Black women most benefit from black rights same as black men, so no one is "left out". Being black is the operative term in black women same as being black is the operative term in black men. The fact you have to "explain" your ridiculous gender warfare ideology to @Rarebird77 is proof enough the state of affairs doesn't exist anywhere but in your own twisted mind.

 

[Rarebird77]

Yes. Particularly the black ones, but some white feminists who have accepted intersectionality understand this.


OK. My point is that you are being asked to choose. A lot of women aren't as willing to forego their gender concerns as you are.


Yes. But reproductive rights are also a gender issue. 100% of men will never need to get an abortion or take birth control pills.


Yes. Again, this is why intersectionality is very important. So that black women aren't left by the wayside again when women's rights are being discussed and acted upon. Because black women are not just women, and they're not just black. They have multiple identities that manifest in different ways. We all do.

My point is that I don't see fighting racism as foregoing my gender concerns. I also don't see how feminism has ever looked out for women of color like me. You are the one who sees the fight against racism as separate. I don't.

In regard to reproductive issues. .. see my issue is that White feminist have reduced women's issues down to abortion rights and birth control.

I find it really funny how you didn't even both to comment on Planned Parenthood eugenics. .. you spout all this intersectionality but never touch on how racism and sexism intersected in that instance.

This isn't about intersectionality it's about getting numbers up. Diversity for the sake of having more people who can push forward an agenda, the agenda being fighting against white men while empowering mostly white women. I'm just not one who thinks that empowering white women is to my benefit as a black woman.

There's a really good book, "Killing the Black Body" by Dorothy Roberts pretty much sums up my view point regarding black women, reproductive rights, etc.

Ms. Magazine Online

White women's reproductive choices may have been curtailed throughout U.S. history, says Roberts, but black women's choices have been, more often than not, eliminated. While white women have had to demand freedom from compulsory motherhood, black women have had to fight for their right to procreate at all, let alone on their own terms. The sheer scope of restrictions on black women's maternity both tangible (punitive public policies) and intangible (a lack of positive images of black motherhood)has "shaped the meaning of reproductive freedom in this country," says Roberts. In some instances, the agenda has been stark and obvious: children born to slaves were automatically the property of the slaveowner, and the women who gave birth to them had no control over their destiny. But as Roberts painstakingly delineates in her 1997 book Killing the Black Body (Pantheon) more recent theories and practices have at their essence the same pairing of deep racism and reproductive rights regulation. The connection is clear in the eugenics movement (which had alliances with the early birth control movement), forced sterilization, the distribution of Norplant and Depo-Provera (rather than safer methods) to poor women and teenagers, and with family caps for welfare recipients. . .. In contemporary America there is a prevalent belief that poor black women shouldn't have children. And that their having children is the cause of black people's problems, well, indeed, of America's problems. I think for a long time the denigration of black women's reproduction was just ignored by mainstream feminists because they had the image of the white mother in mind. Even though there are restrictions on white mothers, it's a fundamentally different kind of regulation. And then there are other feminists who are so wedded to abortion rights as the most important issue and to abortion as the be all and end all of reproductive freedom that there s a resistance to seeing coercive birth control policies as also being oppressive. They don't get that distributing Norplant and Depo-Provera in poor communities and telling women, "This is what you should use," could be oppressive.

 

[Free White & 21]

Yes. Particularly the black ones, but some white feminists who have accepted intersectionality understand this.


OK. My point is that you are being asked to choose. A lot of women aren't as willing to forego their gender concerns as you are.


Yes. But reproductive rights are also a gender issue. 100% of men will never need to get an abortion or take birth control pills.


Yes. Again, this is why intersectionality is very important. So that black women aren't left by the wayside again when women's rights are being discussed and acted upon. Because black women are not just women, and they're not just black. They have multiple identities that manifest in different ways. We all do.

Anybody willing to prioritize their gender before their race is a MORON

Just another case of niggs tryna "out-white" whitey but being completely oblivious to the facts

 

[King Kreole]

Intesectionality is not important as I have explained multiple times now and to which you have yet to respond. Black women aren't left to wayside in fighting for black rights. Black women most benefit from black rights same as black men, so no one is "left out". Being black is the operative term in black women same as being black is the operative term in black men. The fact you have to "explain" your ridiculous gender warfare ideology to @Rarebird77 is proof enough the state of affairs doesn't exist anywhere but in your own twisted mind.

Black women are more mistreated than almost any other class in society, and you're saying they haven't been left to the wayside? Gains for black men do not automatically equate to gains for black women, because the black man and the black woman are two distinct entities. Black men and black woman are not treated or seen by society as the same. Wages aren't the same. Incarceration rates aren't the same. Unemployment numbers aren't the same. Employment fields aren't the same. Social stereotypes aren't the same. So to treat both groups as if they are one is obviously absurd and dishonours the unique historical issues faced by black people of all types. You and I simply do not know what it is like to be a black woman. We will never know the worry of being impregnated and abandoned with a child. We will never know the frustration of being told that speaking about our abusive is divisive to black unity. We will never face the unique social stigmatisms and expectations that are carried by women. What good does it do a black woman if her husband is making more than his father, but she is being beaten and raped at home. Should she just take solace in the fact that she's being abused in a nicer home? By rebuking intersectionality and treating all black people as one big mass you erase the distinct issues within the community. Black women are more likely than almost every other race of women to be murdered by their partner, beaten by their partner, raped or attempted to be raped. They says "I'm facing issues that you don't experience, and they need to be addressed" and you say "fukk that, we're all black." FOH. You sound like an All Lives Matter cac right now. That's the same bullshyt line of reasoning they use.

You do me too great an honour when you say I've come up with this "ridiculous gender warfare ideology" of intersectionality. This is a well established concept that has been at play for much longer than i've been alive. But thank you.

Do some research. Black feminism and intersectionality | International Socialist Review http://www.sfwar.org/pdf/SACOC/WOC_NCASA_94.pdf

 

[Poitier]

Never trust anyone who says "the black man and the black woman are two distinct entities."

 

[godkiller]

Black women are more mistreated than almost any other class in society, and you're saying they haven't been left to the wayside? Gains for black men do not automatically equate to gains for black women, because the black man and the black woman are two distinct entities. Black men and black woman are not treated or seen by society as the same. Wages aren't the same. Incarceration rates aren't the same. Unemployment numbers aren't the same. Employment fields aren't the same. Social stereotypes aren't the same. So to treat both groups as if they are one is obviously absurd and dishonours the unique historical issues faced by black people of all types. You and I simply do not know what it is like to be a black woman. We will never know the worry of being impregnated and abandoned with a child. We will never know the frustration of being told that speaking about our abusive is divisive to black unity. We will never face the unique social stigmatisms and expectations that are carried by women. What good does it do a black woman if her husband is making more than his father, but she is being beaten and raped at home. Should she just take solace in the fact that she's being abused in a nicer home? By rebuking intersectionality and treating all black people as one big mass you erase the distinct issues within the community. Black women are more likely than almost every other race of women to be murdered by their partner, beaten by their partner, raped or attempted to be raped. They says "I'm facing issues that you don't experience, and they need to be addressed" and you say "fukk that, we're all black." FOH. You sound like an All Lives Matter cac right now. That's the same bullshyt line of reasoning they use.

You do me too great an honour when you say I've come up with this "ridiculous gender warfare ideology" of intersectionality. This is a well established concept that has been at play for much longer than i've been alive. But thank you.

Do some research. Black feminism and intersectionality | International Socialist Review http://www.sfwar.org/pdf/SACOC/WOC_NCASA_94.pdf

Your research should be imbibed in your arguments and apparent isn't helping you make better ones. To wit, Black men and women are both mistreated and both benefit from pro-blackness, so no one is "left out". Moreover black men are women are not "two distinct entities". That's absolute nonsense. Black men and women are two sides of the same coin, not two different coins altogether. Black male and women unemployment, incarceration rates, stereotype threat, etc all mirror each other, so whilst they aren't the exact same, they are only slightly different and gendered. The fact that when black men rise black women rise concurrently is proof of the essential connection that exists between black men and women in society. Everything need not be the exact same for the aforementioned to exist and matter.

When black men are granted access into industries like athletics broadcasting and music, black women soon follow. When black men are denied, black women are denied. Inasmuch as benefits go, this is the main thrust behind why black people should work together and push pro-blackness. Considering intersectionality with inherent divisive and counterproductive actors and initiatives only does harm. The tenets of feminism, such as a woman's right to share household work with her partner, is already a central part of equality.

 

[ahdsend]

So basically i wanna fight white supremacy and the black woman wants to fight me first?
Not only that, even tho we're both black and oppressed, she won't help me fight white supremacy unless we resolve our intra-racial issues first?
Even tho white supremacy is the reason we have these issues in the first place?

they openly lettin you know they don't really wanna solve the issues....

talkin bout black male issues get more 'airtime'... as if black men own and control any media outlets...

you ask most females bout relationship advice they gonna tell you that when they venting problems to their man, they DO NOT wanna hear logical solutions... at least not right away...

they just wanna be comforted and reassured.... cause women of all backgrounds are generally emotionally driven...

but today we got a lotta emotional BLACK MEN like that too, cause they been raised under a roof with nothin but women... wit no grown man in sight...

if black folks truly become empowered, we gonna have enough resources to solve ALL problems black people face.... whether you a man or woman, LGBT, whatever...

but all this squabbling with folks that dont really wanna solve anything... thats dangerous...

these are the same type of black folks on the motherland back in the day that woulda sold us to the cacs or arabs... not giving a fukk bout any future consequences...

this aint no college debate..... we in the middle of a race war, and its 90% economic based...

ANY black person that tries to shift the focus off economics as the solution should be considered a c00n....

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Cause as time and time proves again...it's AFRICAN AMERICANS vs. EVERYONE ELSE.

No one understands white supremacy, race, racism, white privilege, and all of that more than US. I'm so shocked at how racially unaware other minorities are in America and on a global scale. And y'all other minorities expect us to speak up for you when you too scared to go at whitey?


Get out of here. WE fighting this battle alone for all I care.

Alot of them gunning for that honorary white supremacist label...alot of them have anti-blackness deeply entrenched in their cultures and they use that to fit into white society. Alot of them exploit us too. They ain't our friends.

Sick and tired of being nice to people who wouldn't spit on us to put out a fire.

Fixed